posted Tue, 01/24/2012 - 08:34
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Advice on my first cycle
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Ok just wanting a little advice as im stuck as to what to do. im currently running lixus deca & sust 300mg/each every 4days kickstarted with veyron oxys 50mg per day week 1 100mg per day week 2-4. Im only just short of 3weeks in to the cycle but seeing some ok weight gains from the oxys, mainly water of course and getting lots of cramp.. lovely. anyway, i originally got 10ml of deca & sust and i am now wondering whether to order more deca & sust to keep this cycle going for longer OR to end this cycle when i planned too, do my pct with a couple months gap and start a new course. id like to know from the more experienced people what would be more beneficial to me? any help appreciated.. cheers
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i know when i am wrong! this lad obviously knows what he is talking about and i aint stupid enough to ignore such advice! i think im gonna have to take a long hard look at my diet and see how i can get some more calories in and maybe find out whats best to be eaten and at what sort of times.. id like to think my training is good, i aint one of them kids you see racking up a bar with weight they obviously cant do with good form and spend most of the set swinging the weight rather than using the muscle they are trying to train! but dont get me wrong i do push myself.. i think a couple of years more natty training and if it still interests me ill consider another cycle! test only of course.. cheers guys. much appreciated advice.
Anonif it sounds like I'm being harsh.. its only because I don't want you to fuck yourself up.
My goal in this community is to stop all the bro science and replace it with full on medical knowledge.. which in fact is my background
trust me, people will advise you to put shit in YOUR body..but would never touch it themselves.
no problems! id rather hear the truth all be it something i dont want to hear than be fed bullshit and totally destroy my body!! i even tried to like your posts but the thumbs up aint working but not sure why! altho i just want to know, if sust has an active life of 3weeks and my last jab was tuesday, should i take nolva 3weeks from that tuesday?? its veyrons tamoxifen citrate 25mg/tabs, 2 a day for 2-3weeks sound ok?
Anon2 weeks would suffice for a starting point for your PCT.. as for your nolva, it should be 40/40/20/20, so I would take 1 and 1/2 for the first week daily, then drop to 1 a day for the last 2 weeks.. if you could get some clomid that would be cool too.. you can vote/like my posts now, you just had to become a "REG" member
havent got clomid to hand so might have a look in to getting some. but cheers will use my nolva like that then.. ok posts liked now!
Anonthanks brother.. if thats the case, I suggest you getting some tribulus, or maybe "activate extreme" to help with starting up your production again.. Nolvadex is merely an estrogen blocker.. it'll be more beneficial for you to "help" your pituitary restart, rather than making it on its own
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkok well tribulus would be easier but will still look at clomid unless you think tribulus would be sufficient.. i assume you mean stuff like optimum nutritions tribulus capsules?
Anonthat would help with libido.. activate extreme might help with test.. but I still push for clomid
Anonyou're wrong. you have by no means reached a full developed stage, so starting cycles will cut you short on where you will peak for Lh/FsH production and possibly cut you short down the road.
You're still going through puberty so the endocrine system along with its feedback is not yet done changing..
young teens are psychologically unstable..I would venture and say 90% of the steroid suicide cases come from young high schoolers..
As your maturing, throwing off your lipid profile like this isn't good.. Winny is one of the worse for tearing apart your lipid profile.
Just some things I wanted to put on the table
Also, If you think you can continue to shut your natty test down, and a proper PCT will make it bounce back for all of eternity.. you will be on TRT by the time you're 35.. as at this rate, by the time you're 27-30 your pituitary will have issues reaching the stimulus to start LH production.
consider this
you're running sust which is a compound of 4 different substances.. Deca.. and anadrol
What if the prop/test E/C give you gyno
how would you know if its gyno and not a progesterone build up the Deca.. or do you even know the difference between these?
you're setting yourself up to fail.. you have no AI listed or something for prolactin build up.. nor do you have a proper PCT planned... you are far from being knowledgable enough to start injecting yourself with steroids.. and ill reiterate my statement below. this is a case for disaster
with the sust and cycle you're proposing.. you're not only introducing 6 compounds into your first cycle.. but the most harsh liver oral out there
if you only weigh 150 pounds now, this tells me your training and diet have not come anywhere near where you need to be to even be CONSIDERING the use of AAS, no offense, but you're lazy --thinking running a cycle will be a cure all remedy for lack of handwork.. this is the farthest thing from the truth..
My end advice, you don't have the maturity to start using steroids bud..
the fact that alot of that post doesnt make 100% sense to me has made me realise.. i really aint ready for it.. more knowledge and a few a years is what i need before considering a proper cycle.. as much as i value your posts i have to say one thing i am not is lazy.. i would say i eat right and train hard but there just isnt enough hours in the day sometimes.. especially when i work 10hour days / 50 hour weeks.. im continuously getting stronger i just seem to be struggling to put weight on naturally.. i suppose seeing kids where i train alot younger than me, obviously on gear just made me think it was a good idea.. anyway. cheers for putting your time in to educating me
AnonI know the feeling..
I work, train, and am full blown into 28 credit hours per semester in accelerated med school..
I hope you choose to go either the natural route or just a standard Test cycle for the sake of your health. This game is about the surviving the test of time while learning each compound.
ok whilst ive found a few good places to begin my research i was wondering,
why are people insisting that 3 compounds on the first cycle is a bad idea? i assume that its because whilst on 3 i will be getting the effects of all of them at similar times so wont know which are working for me and why? when people say one compound for the first cycle, does that mean no kick starting with tablets? literally just the one compound? TBH i probably will carry on this cycle regardless of what is said unless whilst researching i find something that really puts me off, i only really planned to do this one cycle just as kind of an experiment.. see what type of gains could be made from them and what the fuss was all about.. but if i do choose to do a second cycle which probably wouldnt be for a while, should i treat my second cycle as my first cycle ?
ha! well as much as it isnt what i wanted to hear id rather know how people actually felt so value the replies..
as for body stats not sure what you'd want but
age: 22
height 5' 6" - roughly
weight (before this) 70kg ~150lbs
where would be a good place to find out about my first cycle then? i aint totally internet savvy and the only person i know to have done a course is my brother who ran test cyp & deca 300mg each every 4days and got some good gains off it, so i just went with what i could.. @killnit88 yes i got one vial of lixus SUST (not test) & one of lixus deca..
as for pct i got proviron to take at weeks 3,4,5 and 6 - advice from the brother and nolva to finish off with?
edit: before i look any more retarded.. theres information right here on the forums! ok. i have somewhere to start at least
Anonthis is a case for disaster.
tread-mThis is a thought process you will learn nothing from if this is your first cycle. You say you want some experienced advice but I really don't think you do because everyoje with experience has laready told you that you don't begin this way. Really brother?
deca, test, and oxys on the first cycle? ouch. not going to flame u, ill let someone else do that. u need to add more info. how long is your cycle. stats. what do u have lined up for pct. RESEARCH buddy, thats all im gonna say
body stats? add some info so the people who know whats what can better help you.
well I dont feel like doing the math so why dont you tell me how many weeks your gear is gonna come out to? t sounds way to short.
ok well it works out at literally 6weeks! way to short you think?
sounds to me like he just got a vial of each? which would be only like a five week cycle? of test e and deca, WAY to short... but thats if he really only got a vial of each