Advice on cycle first post
Hello guys, this is my first post so go easy on me. Didn’t know what a first post should be, I have used this site to do research and gain knowledge from all of you but now I’d like to ask for a little advice/input on my upcoming cycle. This will be my 4th cycle. I started with the recommended test only cycle at 500mg per week and then incorporated other goodies in later cycles such as Anavar or tbol & hgh. I’m 28 yrs old 5’9 190lbs and 11%bf at the moment. Ongoing goals are overall aesthetics + strength... yea what everyone basically wants. Anyway this is what my next cycle is going to look like.. advice/input is appreciated.
Wk 1-6 Anavar 50 mg Ed working my way up to 80mg
Wk 1-12 Test E 500mg
Wk 1-12 EQ 600mg
Wk 4-16 Aromasin 12.5 eod
Wk 12-16 Clomid 40/40/20/20
Currently on HGH for the past month at 4iu/day. Split first thing am and then after gym around 6pm. Will up dosage to 5iu then 6iu, while on cycle.
*** Is the EQ worth throwing in there?
*** should I start the var at 80mg/day off the rip? Extend to 8wks? Is N2guard necessary?
*** I was also researching taking some ghrp2 before bed but don’t know much about it and if it’d be pointless with cycle.
*** also I usually tell myself 12 weeks but end up doing more like 16wks.
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Rustyhooker3 prior cycles?
Age: 28
Height: 5'9
Weight: 190 lbs
BF: 11%
Fix your diet first.
Kicking with var? Not the wisest thing to do in my book. Be better off using it as a finisher. If you need 80mg of var you better find a different source. 6iu of growth without any other ancilliaries is kind of wasting it. Starting to hit diminishing returns with it otherwise. Probably be just fine with 4iu.
Thanks makwa, I will look into switching the var to finish, also I read the higher mg var showed better results but perhaps that was for undersosed product...I’ll stick with 50mg and see how that goes. Thank you for the Input
190lbs after 3 cycles?
Seems like you are learning how to do steroids and skipping learning how to actually eat/train/build.
basskiller89I wouldn't run EQ anything less than 18 weeks. With the amount of gear you have I can't see a point to adding in the orals brother. If you're paranoid just bump test to 600mg and that way you don't have to dose a pill every 9 hours. Aromasin might need to be raised but blood work will tell you what's going on there. If you find REAL ghrp2 and compare it to HGH dollar per dollar you'll end up with more IGF from the peptide. If it were me I'd make this my primary cycle for the year and probably run it for 20-21 weeks depending on how I feel and what my blood work says. I can't justify EQ on a 16 week cycle
Thanks man good info, much appreciated.
Going to leave that eq out of the equation and just stick with the Var/test gh cycle. Also boot the night time peptide thought... don’t know enough and don’t feel like looking deep into it. Thanks guys
+1 for being wise about dropping the EQ and listening to go sound advise. If you will be open to the knowledge here and let guys help you out without getting butt hurt youll do just fine here
Thanks man, that’s the reason I’m here. Much appreciated.
You have been reasearching and only have clomid for pct? No offence but u could not have researched to good.
Neither clomid nor nolv are essential for a well formulated PCT protocol.
Maybe you both need more research??
I understand the avatar now...
Probably not Goose, probably not
RustyhookerYoure getting loony again. Dont preach crazy crap.
Nope not at all and I havent preached anything. Didnt say what anyone should or shouldnt do or even what i do personally
Many ways to skin a cat and more SERMS than just c or nolv
Really. Teach me something new than.
Already did.
Thanks. Ive learned alot from u.
Youre getting pissy because i suggested you research? Don't take offence, i wasnt trying to offend you.
Look; most people run a watered down version of the Scally PCT. An incorrectly dosed 4 week version without HCG; is probably stickied somewhere on this site. Most people follow that and for many that works and thats perfectly good. It doesnt work for a lot of people though, usually because of duration or timing or else pre-existing primary/seconday issues that are maybe even accelerated by AAS ( or whatever) usage.
Point is; if it works, great.
But most people dont fully understand what either compound does, or that they can be used exclusively or not at all.
Rather than bang on about it, we can just take a look at what a typical TRT/fertility clinic might do to reatart the HPG. What you see there, 99% of the time, is Clomid Therapy. In progressive clinics its hcg (to prove the seconday system works ok) followed by clomid to prove the pituitary works (often seen for restarts coming off TRT) and in really progressive places its HCG plus HMG (or pure fsh) followed by clomid.
Anyways look; its just other protocols. There are also other SERMs like Torem and the newer version of clomid etc. Options....
We do have options out there in the ether.... beyond the internet forum stickies.
The main thing is OP says, worked for me no issues... and as fellow 'patients' we should listen to that, rather than pile in more meds immediately (especially if he can back it up which no doubt he can.... yeah right!). But we should listen to it... regardleas of what protocol we follow ultimately ourselves.
No not pissy dude. I have done plenty of research and have exp to back it not to just tell someone just fir the hell of it. If u go back and look i didnt tell him what to use either but you like to stir shit up. I didnt just jion yesterday been on here for yrs watching u stir shit up. So do u have me pissy. Hellz no. I dont get pissy over dudes like u homey. My comment was because even a basic pct wont tell u just clomid and i dont want his pct to fail not to get in a arguement with u. So have a pleasant day.
Good stuff, good man.
RustyhookerScally bullcrap pct of 300mg clomid? You realuze he certaonly has never tried that. Lol!
At 100mg im wondering why im that high in dose. Feel like eyes gonna pop out.
Bout same as scallys bullcrap 500mg test MUST show at 5000 test on bloods. Pharma bloods posted here have never been that ration. Ever. Dudes a quack.
Nah the 300 wasnt Scally, it was pseudo PHD Bill Roberts addition - that just a frontload for day 1. Better split 100x3 across a day if prone to floaters. But if prone to floaters better off with Torem or something else anyway. I think Roberts is dead now?
You know Scally was defrocked right? They stripped his MD for doing AAS pct's.
His PCT approach is solid though. People misinterpret it a lot and he changed it over the years a couple of times, but the 1 thing he never changed was that if you didnt prove each stage with bloods, your pct is an unknown.
RustyhookerMy bad. Roberts posted that and i bout fell off my chair. The first week of pct getting used to the layout isnt fun. Robert too posted the first cycle as tren and drol if i remember right. Lol
Scally, not suprised. Some writing was interesting but his ratio cut was never proven or seen. I can sorta see his bloods ideas but i looked more at hard shutdown. The nor sure can kick butt on rebooting
Thanks House.. I do have nolvadex sitting in my cabinet as well - I’ll add that in there. Each time I have bounced back really well.
Dont matter if u bounce back well still need proper pct and blood work.
EQ didn’t start to shine until the 14th week for me.
This is why they suggest an 18-20 week cycle
Ok thanks man, should I run the test for that length as well?
With just a 16wk run of Test only and having your diet in check and you work out routine down pat then the test alone will do wonders for you right by its self.
You need to go back to researching your cycle.
My suggestion is to stick to the basics and master them more first while you continue to build knowledge.
I doubt many will support your idea of running a cycle like this.
2.What effects each compound typically has on the body. Lipids, himatocrit ect.
3.What sort of pct will a hefty 20week cycle need.
And finally don’t get caught up into more is better and what not.
More means more side effects.
Side effects often times hinder results.
Also if you don’t know how to do bloodwork find a “bloodwork bible guide”
Get pre bloodwork to see what your body looks like.
Get 5week bloodwork to adjust ur Ai and check other levels
Get 6week post pct bloodwork to see how your pct did.
Great answer Green. I'm with you on the op going back to his research and learning a little more. Because all the research I've done on EQ I've never seen a post say EQ for 12wks they've all said16+. And if our friend above does go with a 20wk cycle I personally feel like he's going to need a better PTC than just Clomid alone I would think he'd be pretty shut down. I'd recommend he just drop the EQ for now until he gains some more knowledge on it and just stick with the test and the var if this is indeed his 4th cycle. Really he would do just fine with test only. If he will put more work into his diet and workout then there would be no need for the var at the moment.
Thanks for taking the time guys, I do need to tighten my diet up. Dropping EQ. Running with the test and var along with my 4iu gh.
Thanks Shaun!
X2! ^
Thank you sir. I’ll do some more research - this post was mainly to get opinions on the eq .. someone recommend it but I wasn’t sure so here I asked.. it’s the only thing I haven’t purchased yet- I’ll just keep it that way..I’ll be sure to get bloods done! Thanks Green
Your welcome beanz and glad your taking everyone’s advice that’s a smart choice.
Diet is where I see my results come to life the most
Test only and for ai bloods will only tell