Advice on 2nd Cycle
Hey guys I would like to hear your advice on this 2nd cycle im looking to do. I'll try to provide all stats/info as well. If anything else is needed lmk.
was
41 yrs old
5' 6"
202lbs
25%+bf (i didnt measure, im guessing)
current
42 yrs old
5' 6"
175lbs
16%bf
Short background: Have about 12yrs experience in the gym. At times its been on and off over the years, i wont lie. But ive been steady for the past 2yrs. I mostly trained for strength and endurance as I still play hockey 2-4 times a week and surf during the summer.
My current diet is pretty good, as i have already lost 25lbs and lowered my BF. Mornings consist of whey shake & egg whites (4:1 ratio with whole eggs) go lean cereal every now and then. Meals thru the day are of the following pool of foods: chicken, flank steak, tuna, ground turkey, tilapia, salmon. Im taking in 3-4 real food meals a day and 2-3 shakes per day. Usually the most of both combined is 6. For carbs I usually eat small yukon gold potato, salad, broccoli, mixed vegetables, brown rice. Walnuts & almonds here and there for a quick hold over snack. Lately ive been trying to limit my carb intake when I get home from work. That usually around 5pm. As far as shakes go; 2-3 per day Whey protien, I have one in the morning around 8am, 2nd is on way home from work 4pm (the days I work out) and sometimes casien before bed. I also have a post workout shake on gym days. followed by a meal 1-1.5 hrs after.
1st Cycle was about 5 yrs ago.
13 wks of Test-E 350mg /wk
no gyno but had Arimidex on hand
PCT was nolva 40/20/20/20
now here is the 2nd cycle im looking for advice on..
Goals: Add mass
1-6 Dbol 25mg / ED (12.5 in morning, 12.5 6-8hrs later)
1-12 Test-E or Test-C 500mg / wk (250mg on sunday & thursday)
1-10 Deca 300mg / wk (150mg mixed into same syringe above)
1-14 Liquid Arimidex .50mg / EOD
2-3 Proviron .25mg / ED
4-13 Proviron .50mg / ED
14 Proviron .25mg / ED
15 Nolva 40mg / ED
15 Clomid 100mg / ED
16-18 Nolva 20mg / ED
16-18 Clomid 50mg / ED
Concerns and questions I have:
How much will I bloat with test/deca/dbol? should I drop the dbol kicker and use some short ester like test prop?
Is the PCT protocol dosed correctly for the amount of compounds being used? (I know the normal is 100/100/50/50 clomid & 40/40/20/20 nolva) Ive have read things saying 50mg of clomid is all you ever need to use.. to only needing to use one or the other.
Proviron, not sure on dosage. and how long to run it. Ive found articles saying start at 25mg and go from there or 50mg. Some dont suggest to use it at all. Some dont use it for PCT, yet others do. From my understanding its proclaimed to be a great "synergistic" drug and helps when using deca in a cycle.
Im new to the site here but Im open to any suggestions and/or guidance to further my knowledge.
Thanks in advance brothers.
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RustyhookerBefore you even start you need blood test. Total test, free test and estradiol levels.
Blood test week 5 for same reasons.
Higher bf will suggest that estro will be higher as well. So keeping a good ai on hand as/if needed.
Higher bf and age suggests sbgh will be elevated and free test lowered. In that case provi is a viable option. Please read provi stickie. With provi needed it also mean that he might run a lower dosed cycle and still get more bang. Sounds like he's doing a recomp.
Being I live in NJ, I cant use privateMDlabs. So i went to my doctor and got him to give me a normal check up. Most of the stuff was covered in this blood test. But not the test, I didnt press the issue and just left it at that. So now I have made an appointment on monday for the remaing tests (total & free test) which is going to cost me some $$ in NJ using direct access online labs. Im still working at the BF getting it down before I start.
angushttp://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/blood-testing-in-nj-ny-....
Easy and affordable testing in NJ.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/blood-work-private-md-labs
Question for you.. I came across one of your posts (link above) about MDlabs and jumping over to another state. Although the post was 7 months ago. Can this still be done by just giving them phoney address and id?
have you been back & tried it again? Really would like to know if this is an option for me. It would only be a 45min drive.
angusyes. WebMD neither verifies your mailing address nor do they ask you for your ID. You could be superman if you want......from Chicago.
Hey Angus and any others reading this, small update.
I took a 55 minuite drive out to PA from the NJ shore to a labcorp yesterday (2/22). Once I arrived I signed in and gave them the phoney patient info. This girl asked if ive been here before, told her no. Then she ask me for my drivers licence. I was taken by that for a quick sec, but acted cool and quickly told her "sorry i dont have it, I just dropped of my girlfriend at the mall (the mall is across the street) she has my ID along with all my credit cards & probably going on a shopping spree" The lab assistant said, ok let me check to see if you need to have ID. She came back and said, No we dont need it. Come right this way Rocky Almanzo. lmao
So bloods where taken and upon results I can get this cycle started.
Thanks to all who shared there input of the many questions and concerns I had.
angusThat's awesome! Glad it worked out for you and you're taking the right steps in taking control of your body. If you need help reading the results then post them in the lab section an I almost guarantee the collective minds on this site will answer your questions.
OH, thats awesome.. Many thanks angus. Im going to set that up asap.
angusYou're welcome buddy, happy to help.
RustyhookerPerfect add! Dude should be on track and runnin!
Thanks again for the advice..
RustyhookerAnytime!
RustyhookerTry to hold off til you know right where you are at health wise. It'll make life less stressful.
And dbol will pufferfish you up. I read below. It goes against whet i see as your goals.
Thanks rusty for the advice.
Thanks guys for the advice. Im going to drop the deca & proviron.
So you're going with test-c/e and dbol? Post up your newly proposed cycle.
ok Ill put it here for now..
1-6 Dbol 25mg / ED (12.5 in morning, 12.5 6-8hrs later)
1-12 Test-C 500mg / wk (250mg on sunday & thursday)
1-14 Liquid Arimidex .50mg / EOD
15 Nolva 40mg / ED
15 Clomid 100mg / ED
16-18 Nolva 20mg / ED
16-18 Clomid 50mg / ED
agreed with below just do test and maybe some proviron have ai on hand and use if or when needed nolva clomid pct.
If it's been 5 years since your last cycle, I really don't see any reason to jump into a 4 compound one now. It's sounds like you've got a good hold on your diet at this point. You could do some amazing things with another test cycle. Your receptors are very clean at this point. Feed it well, and you could respond great to test alone.
It's like if your wife brings up something you did wrong 5 years ago. After that much time, it's almost like it didn't happen.
To be honest, it has crossed my mind of doing a test only cycle. But hey, that's why I posted on here for advice. If I was to do another test only run. Any suggestions on dosage? or keep what I have and drop the other compounds?
"It's like if your wife brings up something you did wrong 5 years ago. After that much time, it's almost like it didn't happen."
LMAO,,
Those are my thoughts brother. I think sometimes test only cycles are really under rated. You can pack on some quality slabs of muscle with that and diet alone. Especially after a good break like you've had. 500 mg a week is plenty.
Thanks brother, much appreciated.
Right on, great advice
And thanks again PIN for directing me to post here..
Would love to here your advice but looks like you are on par with Shawn0712.
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No prob, this is the place to be. Shawn laid it out perfect.
Here is my best advice.. If your BF is truly at 25% leave the AAS alone and do some hardcore dieting before you run anything. You will get so much better results with a lower BF%. When it's that high estrogen loves fat and it's harder to controll and sides are worse to.
Thanks for the reply Gymjunkie but you misread my post.
I "WAS" 25%+ BF about a year ago. I understand a lower BF will reduce side and improve results. And thats what im going for. I am "CURRENTLY" at 16%BF and still working at it. Sorry if my post was misleading... was just trying to provide as much info for some knowledgeable feedback.
was <---------------------------
41 yrs old
5' 6"
202lbs
25%+bf (i didnt measure, im guessing)
current <---------------------------
42 yrs old
5' 6"
175lbs
16%bf
Shit my bad... Yeah I didn't catch that man I'm sorry