4th Cycle - 20 years old
Cycle
Weeks 1-4 - 50mg dbol
Weeks 1-10 - 500 mg Tren-E
Weeks 1-12 - 250 mg Test-e
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Letro and Prami on hand
Pct
40/40/20/20
100/100/50/50
Last cycle I only put on about 10 lbs at peak of cycle. I'm now back to the same weight I was before my last cycle while keeping the majority of strength gains I made on cycle. It seems that with each cycle that passes, I put on less and less mass but my strength to size ratio keeps increasing.
The problem, and people warned me was that I'm too young to be using AAS and that I'm going to mess up my system permanentely and be on an HRT/TRT protocol for life.
6 weeks off cycle and my natural gains have been through the roof, just by increasing my caloric intake slightly. I'm not even sure if I'm going to jump back on cycle this fall. I might give myself 32 weeks for recovery, so I may just push this cycle aside until next spring.
The problem that people also told me that I was not eating enough on cycle which explained my lack of gains. Being 5'9 and 180 lbs, I thought that eating 4500 calories a day on cycle would be enough to bulk up and put on tons of mass. For this next cycle, I plan to eat around 6000 calories a day.
Chicken, chicken, chicken.
2x tuna cans per meal
White rice
Peanut butter
Oats
Blueberries
4x Green tea a day
Egg whites
Extra lean ground beef with cottage cheese before bed
spinach
assorted veggies
Bananas
Almonds and nuts
Going to bulk up to 200 lbs this time, and I'm going to do it right. I'm not going to make the same mistake of not eating enough on cycle, twice.
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The fuck is wrong with you? 20 and your on a 4th cycle?? I weigh nearly the same as you and I never ran one yet, go watch bigger stronger faster or something seriously and rethink about this, I hope you take in everything that has been said by everyone in this post and don't fuck yourself over. It will be your own fault
You have probably a combined knowledge of over 300 years of bodybuilding and steroids here telling you not to do it. Who do you think is smarter you or all of us? If you have any respect for your body listen to what we are saying.
At the rate your going when you hit 40 please post the results of your echo-cardiogram, blood pressure, liver function, cholesterol, etc..And kindly let us know if one of the ventricles of your heart is enlarged...TRT at this point will be moot.
Your way to young to do any cycle let alone your 4th.Anyways since the damage is done your tet is way to low it should be at 500 mgs at least.I used to do 6 k myself and all you will do is get strong and put on fat.But if getting fater isnt a big deal youl be fine with that amount.
YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT! STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE STEROID CYCLE BOARDS! NEXT POST I SEE FROM YOU AND YOUR OUT OF HERE!
I was completely blown away as I am sure you were. But lets try to help him maybe we could change his thinking before it's to late. After all isn't that what this sight is about-helping.
Thought you were talking to the kid please disregard last post and if xroids gives anymore stupid advice please bounce him.
juiceinatorRationale behind minimum of 500mg test??
I believe the rational is that 500mg/week of Tren will shut you down so hard its best to administer a matching dose of test...
juiceinator700mg of tren I was fine with 70mg prop eod. No shutdown.
tread-mLet me fix all your problems for you brother without gear for the next 5 yrs. Read your words slowly, this stuff just seems too easy sometimes . You said, and I quote, " I'm not going to make the same mistake of not eating enough ON CYCLE". DO YOU THINK YOU ONLY EAT BIG AND OR RIGHT "ON CYCLE"? There's your problem cuz, you figured out how to gain here so KEEP DOING THAT, KEEP DOING THAT! You can't gain on one diet and keep the gains on another. Get this crazy shit above out of your head. Bang the natty eating big and clean, pound the gym and at 25 come back looking insane.
zewiwell said.
Yeah is this some sort of joke?!....hate to say it and see it happen, but your natty test levels are finished. U never even saw hardly any of your natural peaks...I really never saw much of mine till my mid to later 20's. My recommendation is just to stop now and try to recover as much as possible and wait at least ten years.
juiceinatorWhile I understand where you're coming from theres no way this kids gonna wait ten years to
Run another cycle. I'd say his 36 months is a good plan and from there start over and do it right. Just trying to be somewhat realistic here.
Shit!!!!...damn phone is touchy as hell!...I almost downvoted ya juice! Oops...I think I fixed it, I was just trying to reply. Yeah U are more realistic, but I had to at least try and suggest it. This shit just blows my mind...just so young! I feel as though I rushed into this and I will be 33 soon...at that age I was too interested in other things still, more unhealthier things but something like this I believe has more impact upon someone's long-term well-being in the end.
UFODamn and I thought I started young...age 20 and 4 cycles done? Do yourself a favor if you ever want to use your nuts again or have any natural test, put the gear down, go to a doc and get a full blood panel done to see where ur at and see how much damage you have already done.
zewiVery well said.. I'm sure he has already done damage, and more than likley has never let his body recover with PCT and months off cycle.
zewi"I might give myself 32 weeks for recovery" How about 5-6 years recovery. Look im all about people wanting to use gear. Nothing wrong with it except a few things.
1.Too young to start
2.No diet in plan.
3.Not starting off with just TEST E
4.Starting to soon on their next cycle 5.Not listing to people on sites like these with experience--
Look I’m just trying to look out for you. Using TREN E/Dbol is so wrong, it’s so wrong at your age-- I'm fine if you want to do gear when your older.. But not at 20---However, I know you won’t listen and you think you have it all figured out
So since I know you are going to do this cycle anyway I guess I can only add to try and help you out so you don't "F" your body up even more I always like more TEST than TREN--- you need to add HCG
HCG - 250iu 2x a week, Arimidex - .25mg e3d can adjust if you get nipple sensitivity to .5mg e3d or if it’s getting worse .5mg ed.
Start your PCT 2 weeks after last injection of TEST E and TREN E
HCG - HCG 250iu 2x a week for the next 15 days
Arimidex - Stay on the arimidex during HCG usage so estrogen won't spike
Nolvadex - 2 Days after last HCG shot: 40/40/20/20
Clomid - 2 Days after HCG shot: 100/100/50/50
X2 brother! and thats me done on this post.