posted Wed, 07/29/2015 - 05:56
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41yr old on first cycle.. Help with PCT
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After working out off and on for over 20yrs, I decided to do a cycle for the first time ever. I've always been in pretty good shape but, now at 41, I just don't get the results I used to get. I was able to obtain Pharma Mix 2 (Test Phen,Tren Ace, Drostanlone Prop) which I've been taking EOD for about 3wks now. I have to say... This is friggin awesome!! The workouts are now incredible.. I have like endless strength, my body looks better than it did when I was 21.. I was always a high libido guy with the wife but, now it's like out of this world. I just have some questions I hope someone can take a moment to answer.. Anything you can tell me would be greatly appreciated..
- PCT.. I was giving Clomid and Nolva.. If I do 8-10wks on, how long until I start PCT and what should my doses look like?
- I've seen a lot of guys bash the Pharma Mix 2 because they would rather dose themselves instead of having a pre mix. If I was gonna add something on top of this.. What could I increase or add to it..?
- How long after completing PCT could I start cycling again..?
I thank you if you even just read all this...
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1) To answer your quesiton about PCT and doses it sorta depends on how big your doses were on cycle.
But I would say clomid and novaldex are great PCT for a 10 weeker.
clomid per week 100-100-50-50
nolva per week 40-40-20-20
you also could have used hcg throughout the cycle to make pct that much easier
2) using mixes aren't the greatest, especially with Tren because of how strong it is and you cant control your ratios between each compound. Bein able to switch up ratios in a cycle can be the difference between the best cycle ever and the worse cycle ever. for me personally i like low test high tren, if i have more test than tren i have the worse time day in day out.
Adding more tren to your mix would work best for me, but you might be different.
3) You can start your next cycle by going off of bloodwork or rule of thumb is - Time on + PCT = time off
so you 10 weeks+4 weeks pct = 14 weeks off till next cycle.
if you run long Esters start PCT 2 weeks after last injection. if you're running short esters start one week after last injection. if you're running oral start one day after last pill. hope this helps good luck to you sir.
remember Time ON + PCT = TIME OFF
so if you ran 12weeks and PCT Took 4 weeks take at least 16weeks off. and the best way to check if you're ready for another cycle is Blood work. i recommend getting blood done pre , mid and post cycle . Have a good run and stay safe
@OMCULTS88, brother, did you go your full six weeks? Also, did you make any changes to your cycle? Update us when possible, please! You'll be helping out other men in their late 30s (like me) and early 40s who are in your same place in life.
Hey, sorry I was gone for a while. I got married and was hard to get back on. I've got a week to go to complete my 8wk cycle. I have a lot to say.. I'll sit down in the next week and share my experience.. There will be plenty for you guys to yell at me about.. But, things went really well..
Thanks everybody.. After only 3 weeks, how long should PCT be generally..?
RustyhookerWith tren I'd do the 4 weeker I posted. Lighter stacks would be different.
Bad compound for a first. Should have researched everything. Or anything for that matter. Get your act together your 41. Now that I got that out of my system. Welcome to eroids. Your in good hands. Listen to the big guys below and you will be fine. I gotta tell you. Your attitude is fantastic. Everyone here is here to help. My personal opinion? Your three weeks in. Pct. get that blend out of your system. Verify your body has normalized with blood work and research first cycle. Good luck bro.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^ this.
1...Totally agree with rustyhooker....2..first cycle and you r running a. blend with tren? 3...time off cycle = time on + pct....there is a plethora of information on here that will cover most all the ?s u may have...also tons of guys/gals that r willing to help you when needed...
Privatemdlabs is a no go for the state I'm in.. Crap
RustyhookerThere's quite a few others out there that have good rates and accurate.
https://www.labcorp.com/wps/portal/findalab .
http://www.walkinlab.com/lab-locator .
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/home.html
Glad u posted this....thanks bro
RustyhookerDose per day by week...
Clomid...100...100...50...50
Nolvadex. ..40...40...20...20
If at week 4 you're not feeling recovered continue at week 4 doses.
****Exactly what I would say too
Can't go wrong with that ;)
RustyhookerI had to go longer. It kicked my butt. Lol
Thank you sir.. Your the man..
RustyhookerWelcome to eroids! Read, research and post up your bloods in future. Lotta good dudes here that will help.
So puzzled about what op should do...wish i new baseline BW...but realistically he should stop cycle and start PCTin about.2-3 days....decisions decisions decisions...if he could get TP in less than a week, he could finish a short ester cycle in 5 wks. Or, if he could get TC/TE in less than a week he could finish a 12 wk cycle, get BW in 3 wks focusing on prolactin and estro....then PCT two weeks after last injection and get post cycle BW 6 wks after PCT. He should definitely go 5 weeks or longer with standard basic PCT drugs....maybe using torem instead of nolva...
Ok.. The plan is TP in the next week.. Then finish with just that. Also ordered a ton of PCT stuff.. Had enough for 4wks, will have enough for 8wks now if need be and I got hcg just in case too.. I can go for BW but, without a baseline, is it really gonna help at this point..?
Monitor BW this time emphasizing estro and prolactin..yes it will help at this point cuz its the first time for u to have AAS in ur body...look at test level, RBC, RDW, chemistry....just all of it...female hormone panel with prolactin, SHBG, and free test...
RustyhookerTest prop or test phenyl prop? How many pin points do you have?
RustyhookerI hear you. At least his dosing isn't huge like we usually see on here. He's halfway done. It's one of the in limbo scenarios. If he switched to a tpp only run...sure. enanthate would have lag time. Prop is easier on regulars with 10 point rotation.
Many options.
Yea i was thinking about that lag time too...hope op gets it fixed...i wish i could see his BW by the end of the week...
Do you know where your baseline test is at? Cus at 41, and cycling.. Blast cruise trt might be less of a headache than tryin to recover at your age. Not recommending it, but I'd at least look into it and discuss it with your endo if you're going. Be cycling anything
X2 ...leanin towards...
Whats the dosage per cc of the compound's mix? What other compounds do u have on hand? How soon can u get BW?
Test 75mg/ml
Dros 100mg/ml
Tren 75mg/ml
1cc EOD
I don't have anything else.. Am guessing about a week to get a test prop. I could probably get bloodwork whenever I get to the doc..? Should I make an appt?
You could make an appt. BW would give u some great answers about everything thats been going on since you started the triple compound mix...would be good to know ur estro and prolactin level...saw palmetto would be good to take too...
Have u been sweating at night? And when was your last shot?
Last shot was this morning.. I've been a little restless at night when I usually sleep pretty well. I've been so insanely hungry for the last couple weeks, it wakes me up at times.
What do u want to do? Honestly, u should stop the cycle and start PCT drugs mentioned in this thread. But, u could continue with test only, too. I need Advil....
Ok ok.. I understand I'm a jackass for jumping into a cycle that will be very hard to recover from after.. If I could switch immediately to a test prop only EOD.. Could anyone tell me what that would look like to finish cycle then PCT..
(I've admittedly been careless.. Don't pick on the stupid kid..)
Yea but hold on
Welcome to EROIDS....u have a good attitude....it will get u a long way here...fr sent
What is your BF%?
The sad part is.. I don't know my body fat percentage.. I don't know my test levels.. I'm the guy who has never been sick a day in his life so, really never go to a doctor for anything except maybe a physical which was probably 2yrs ago now. For so long, I'm always the one pulling the sled for everyone. In the gym, at my job, always. Now, I'm getting to the point where I just can't lead the way anymore.. So, here I am 3wks into a cycle I should have done more research on.. Since, I've said a ton of dumb shit already... To try and guess body fat.. 5'10" 205.. I have nice definition all over and stomach has nice cuts for the top two abs.. But wish I had better definition on the bottom two...? Yeah.. That sounded as stupid as I thought is was gonna.. Should've just said I don't know...
lmao that was funny as hell sorry...i feel ya bro..im trying to learn myself..i thought long and hard about doin this myself finaly got some gear started off real nicve i thought.then i was told i was too fat to take aas so now what lol bought a stasionary bike put it in my bedroom giving it hell everynight after the gym...just thought i would chime in..good luck hope it works out for you
Sounds 15% or less....may 12%...GNC has calipers for 20 bux....or u can find them online....its all good bro...people make mistakes....its been three weeks....its not like u been on it for 3 months...but one shot of deca did deteriorate my htpa...so just hang in there...
Ok.. Will order one tonight.. Along with a ton of estro blockers and what not. Thx man
RustyhookerStats?
And how long cycle? Hope you have insurance for trt when tren ruins that natural axis? I wouldn't advise that stack, but that's me.
1-prolactin?
2-bloods?
3 - aromatase inhibitor?
X2 on BW...especially pre cycle....wonder what test/free test was before injecting
RustyhookerFree test for sure! If bf is higher then sbh kicks up and estro follows. There's good ways to free it but bloods sure help.
Right on point....just asked OP what bf is...thinking he may benefit from provi...just 3 wks in on cycle....plus maybe Toremefene for pct...
I was looking to go 6wks..
RustyhookerOk. 6 wasn't as bad on pct. I went 9 and it was horrible. Problem at out age is speedy recovery. Tren is just really harsh.
I'd advise pharma pct products due to tren. Clomid/ Nolvadex stack. I keep hcg on hand for hard cycles. If you get shrinking nuts, hcg can help plump and recover...then pct. Have enough pct to run 6 weeks if needed. Extras will be good for future cycles too.
Do you have caber on hand? Estro blockers like adex or aromasin?
6 weeks after pct, might get a baseline blood chart started. Privatemdlabs.com . At our age Dr can evaluate as well. Our natural levels change quickly
That's awesome advise man thank you.. I'll start stocking up on all this stuff immediately.. Need to get all this shipped to me ASAP. I have great insurance so, after this, gives me excuse to get out and find a doctor I like to start monitoring blood levels. I may bother you again, if I have questions about all these estro blockers.. If that's cool with you...
RustyhookerEasier to post questions here after reading the site a while. Magnifying glass up top is for eroids info. It's easier that way so as you go thru cycle you understand what's happening incase you have an issue. You're prepared.
Watch your attitude on tren. I get introverted but it also effects thinking. Stuff that you KNOW isn't happening seems logical. Snappy, jealousy, aggressive, lack of sleep etc. Everyone is different so it's up to you to keep it in check.
As said below there's many ways easier to get good results. Simple test and anavar as example. It's foods that bulk us or cut us. Chems assist recovery.
That blend is basically a competition prep cycle. Way over the top for your needs and you want to add more to it??????
Stop, read a lot, then revisit.
I understand I may be doing more then I need but, at 41 I don't have a ton of ways to get every little thing. This was available and I took a chance with half doses for the first week. I'm totally not trying to add anything on top of what I'm doing now. I really feel great and don't want to change anything. I've just read how people don't like this mix and I want to learn why. I have a PCT schedule but, I would like to hear different opinions. Am sorry, I don't mean to come in like a knucklehead... But, unlike these 20yr olds that do something stupid, then bash and blame the substance for their woes... What happens to me is MY fault.. No one else's.. Now, if you don't want to help me.. I understand.. But, I'm going to get all this stuff down pat if it kills me..
I appreciate the honesty. The worry I have is at our age recovery is much tougher than it is for those at 30. Can be pretty ugly to be honest, which isn't great as we often have more stress factors too, (career, kids etc). As your first cycle, you'll probably achieve little more than could have been done with a simple Test cycle which would be a much easier recovery. I'd urge you to consider binning the cycle and just simply running test if you're dead set on running AAS.