41 Year Old Virgin
Hey All,
Hope this site is legit. Seems really useful and down to earth. Anyway, I'm 41, 6ft., 175 lbs. I've worked out on and off since college and am into biking and running for cardio. I just recently got into doing kettle bell workouts, also, which I like a lot. However, I've never been able to get that bulky, buff look I want. Always on the leanish side.
I finally decided I'd like to try a cycle of something and see what results I can get. My goal is to put on 10-15 pounds of good muscle.
The more I read, the more confusing it can become. Everyone recommends a different regime and like most things, everyone is HIGHLY opinionated. One person says one thing, the next disagrees violently. So, I'd like to keep things as simple as possible and do a very basic beginners cycle, one that's as safe and effective as possible.
While I'm not opposed to doing needles, if there's any way of doing a cycle orally, I'd be more willing to do that, especially since I'd like to do a relatively short cycle at first to see how I react, etc. I know the liver toxicity risk is higher with orals, but so too do injectibles carry their own risks. I could be convinced to go either way, just weighing more to the side of orals right now.
So, can any seasoned gents recommend something for me given the above info? Which should I go with? Should I stack or stick to one at first, like Dbol? What to take for PCT? During, should I have Propecia (I currently have a fairly good head of hair, a little thinning at the back) and something in case of gyno effects?
Again, looking to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle. Leaning towards orals. First time user. 41 years old. 6 feet. 175 pounds.
Then the next question is where to get them? The more I research online, the more confusing and daunting it is. One company may seem great and gets lots of positive reviews and then one finds out the company itself wrote the reviews, etc. Which is the most reliable online source? I see abolic-body.com gets the highest rating on the reviews page. Any comments on them?
Looking for some honest and helpful info. Can't wait to read more of this forum.
Thanks all and peace.
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AnonFirst I am glad to see you are asking questions.. unfortunately biking doesn't lend itself to that buff bulky look you want. Endurance anything relies more on the slow twitch long fiber muscles and quite frankly doesn't do much at all to build up the upper body.
Second of all don't bother taking gear if you diet isn't on point, you will only end up being disappointed with your results or rather lack of results
Third. #never run a cycle without testosterone as the basis!
Fourth, oral only cycles will shut down your natty test and you will have a rebound effect AND it will be difficult to keep whatever gains you make, especially if you don't follow point number two which is DIET..
Great info. Thanks for the post.
AnonForgot to add: Make sure your diet is on point, because I have a feeling that might be neglected. Get a good balance of macro's and work on 6 meals a day. FISH and Lean meat if you're looking to lean out and add solid muscle. Also, always good to get in the habit of monitoring your BP and getting blood work done-mine as well start good habits, early! lastly, If I were you, I would say work cardio 3-4 times a week at 20-30 minutes..don't neglect it!
Diets not a problem for me. Love to eat lean and clean. Love salmon and tuna. Any thoughts on possible safety issues with eating lots of fish (ie. mercury, toxins)? Also, LOVE milk. Could drink a gallon a day. Is it ok to have lots of organic milk on a cycle? Thanks.
Anonand like hrrd said..watch with the tuna..especially albacore-it comes from a bigger tuna = more mercury
AnonLow mercury fish: Anchovies
Catfish
Clam
Crab
Crawfish
Flounder
Haddock
Herring
Mackerel
Mullet
Oyster
Perch
Pollock
Salmon
Sardine
Scallop
Shrimp
Sole
Squid
Tilapia
Trout
Whitefish
AnonYou can google the list of toxins for fish.. If I recall correctly salmon is good to go and tuna should be restricted to twice a week. You need to make sure your fish is not farm raised at they have ruined the nutritional value of the fish by feeding them CORN.. yes, fish now eat corn.. so sorry to disappoint you all that eat tilapia.. almost all of it is farm raised.
Thanks for the info!
AnonRun a simple Test-E cycle. Stay away from orals, especially with your age-you aren't do your bodies any favors by popping pills. Like people said below run either a 500-maybe 600 a week/split into 2 shots. Most of the quality gear you can get, can be injected through a 26+ G needle..which is less pain than pinching yourself. Make sure you educate yourself on injection sites. Most people will tell you, the hardest thing is actually doing it for the first time..because after that, they realize how painless is actually is.
AnonForgot to add. Make sure your diet is ON POINT. If you're going to run gear, oral or injects..don't expect it to be a "cure-all." Make sure you're getting a GOOD 6 meals a day with a GOOD macro balance. In my opinion, diet outweighs actually training. If you're trying to add weight, what I've done is do cardio 3-4 times a week at 20-30 minutes each time..DON"T neglect cardio though. Also, its always advisable to do self-monitoring BP checks, along with blood work. I know this won't be a hardcore cycle, but it might benefit you to start out with the right habits. hope this helps!
You don't need drugs to gain 10 or so lbs of muscle with your stats. Just eat more, lift heavier (more on than off) and drop the cardio down some. WHY risk your health (as it is a undeniable risk) when you could get there easily with 6-9 months concerted effort. It's an absolute no brainer. Do it naturally.
Ya but I think most of us are here cuz we DONT wanna do it naturally whether thats a good thing or not, we all wanna get big...and quick! Lol
Yes, and I think I've gone about as far as I can naturally. I've lifted big weights before and ate like a horse, the muscle gains stopped and fat started to accumulate from so many excess calories and decreased cardio. I want to edge myself over into a beefier bulkier physique, not so much that I'm Arnold, but definitely a bod that turns heads.
I appreciate the health concerns, which is why I'm here...to educate. Thanks for all the replies!
"..the fat started to accumulate from so many excess calories and decreased cardio"
That says a lot to me in terms of your general rationale to BB and as to why you can't put muscle on naturally. Be aware, its practically impossible to keep very sharp (and do a lot of cardio) and put substantial muscle on at the same time - even with a moderate steroid intake.
ukbeststeroids, is perfect for you, he really went out of his way for me twice i cannot rate him enough. I am less experienced than guys here, but if i was you this is what i would look into; you said you wanted a short cycle, well test prop 100mg eod wld be perfect and dbol 50mg ed, one your hair is thinning, so these are in an out of your system faster, no point injecting 500mg test-c and ur waiting 2 weeks to get it out and ur hair is thinning, and i was worried about hair loss i decided if it happened (id rather be bald and muscular) if it was to be but my mothers side don't tend to go bald. Look at proscar or proprecia, that shld protect you. ppl say pct, well everyone is different i cld not find anything universal either, i wld say have clomid 100 as ur limit some ppl reported going blind temporarily on other forums, plus i enjoyed cumshots, i found clomid in some articles safe to use for longer periods by doctors for ppl trying to conceive and nolva by sum cancer patients so i wasn't worried about running them longer if needed.
clomid 100 100 50 50
nolva 40 40 20 20
and was fine after 12 weeks cycle test-c and dbol. good luck.
AnonLess experienced meaning you dont know that you aren't allowed to mention source names??
Great! Thanks for the reply. Lots to look at here. Cheers!
Injectables over orals all day. There's nothing to be scared of bro its just a little pinch. I find it enjoyable. And if your a virgin at 41 you better get some tang asap cuz you don't have a lot of time left to bang (no offense) without viagra and you'll want to screw everything on cycle on test fyi
I was just pulling your chain here so you know I wasn't serious or trying to be an ass lol! And get some adex because you never know if you might be prone to beech titties
and if you do run adex do like .5 mg eod should be fine
And all you need for pct is nolva 40 40 20 20
Brother 10 yrs AAS experience. Test E only 250mg/ml. 500mgs per week. Divide into two shots per week. 12 weeks. Research pct. Eat alot and eat clean. Lift hard with proper form. At 41 you shall see the gains you want. Sources go to the source section. Right now i like bd,best,and ab. Good luck
What he said! You should gain 20+ if you do things right
Great. Thanks for the input. Really appreciate it. Cheers.
Hi and welcome!
Great to hear that your working out a lot and have been for a long time. It sounds like you don't really lift or aren't into BB/DB work (I could be completely wrong and if so my apologies), however I just got that feel from your post. If you train with DB/BB and get a diet set for bulk you will be GTG....add some Test E and you will see amazing results. I hope your in this for the log haul and btw you will get over the needle phobia once you pin a few times.Â
Thanks. I have done lots of different types of workout from very heavy lifting to moderate. I plan to hit the iron during the cycle for sure.
As for needle thing, I can get over the fear, but concerned about doing it wrong and causing injury or some kind. How does one get to practice first?
check out spotinjections.com follow their method and proper sanitation and you should have no problems.
Great! Will do. Thanks.
unfortunately there's no way that i can think of to practise other than to try. but my advice is use the glute (bum), kind of picture disecting ur bum cheek into quarters (4 parts), and aim to pin within top right quarter for right cheek and top left quarter for left cheek. pinning is a little smoother if you squirt and let a little of the substance moisten the needle, aspirate once u pin (pull plunger out a few mm and should see bubbles not blood, if bubbles, ur good to go, if blood, which ive never seen happen in over 4 years of aas use dont inject, find another spot. Also dont use the same needle to draw and pin coz it will be blunt after drawing so more pain. hope this helps good luck
I've gotten blood once in the upper glute (of all spots right)
AnonA barbell and dumbbell routine to compliment the AAS is your first goal man. Get that down with your diet and I'll agree a Test Only cycle with proper PCT is the way to go. Test E or C. Running a cycle and training like you are accustomed is going work, but your first time is the time to do it right. I FR's you accept me for a PM.
Thanks for the reply. What your last sentence mean though. I'm sorry. New here.
ok I know that YOU know that you have to do your own research. HOWEVER, I can still voice my opinion and I think you should get some test E. Run it for 12 wks at 500mg/wk (split it into 2 shots throughout each wk ex: mon and thurs) for pct get nolvadex and clomid and run those for wks 14-18. Look in the pct and anti estrogen forum on this site for dosing and length of pct as itvaries from person to person. Good luck!
Thanks. Your suggestion seems to come up a lot. I'm seriously considering this approach.
AnonYou can do that 10-15lbs natural. Keep your gains lean and it will show allot. Biking and cardio are going to hinder gains and gains are going to affect your biking and cardio. Have to settle on a happy medium or choose. Keep learning man.
Thanks for the reply!
AnonYou know how push yourself, just need to create a plan to attack and induce trauma on a muscle group and stop. You are conditioned to push out endurance training sessions and those won't bulk you up anytime soon. Just reprogramming yourself to stop is going to be a challenge......lol
welcome you could always do a 6 week test p you could pin 150 eod i think that for your first just plain old test is the way to go, you could also do test e but that would have to be for at least 10 weeks
Great. Thanks for the info. I'll look into a test cycle. Just curious. What are you stats, etc?