3rd cycle Advice, Test P + NPP
Whats up Bros , first off here are my stats.
Age: 23
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 180
BF:12%
Cycle experience-
1st Cycle: Test Prop 1-10 weeks, I ran 300mg 1-5 then I decided to bump it up to 450mg the rest.
2nd Cycle: Test E 1-14 weeks Dbol 50mg 1-4 weeks,I ran 500mg all the way through
(I'm 100% convinced my 2nd cycle was bunk gear, I had little no gains)
3rd cycle I'd like to run Test P and NPP for 12 weeks
Goal: Add on some lean mass (Of course diet & nutrition is key)
Test P 450mg 1-12 weeks
NPP 300mg 1-8 weeks
*Considering Dbol 50mg 1-4 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
PCT: Time on is time off, Nolva & Clomid
My questions:
1. I understand I will need Caber. How do I incorporate It in the cycle during or after?
2. This is my first time running NPP. Does this dose look fine to you guys or should i bump that and bump the test up a little more?
Thanks for your time and help guys. All suggestions and advice welcome 
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This is what it's all about! Nice open debate to get everything together. Now you have a diet and a healthier cycle plan. Best of all your listening and learning as we all are (that diet looks good!). Can every thread be like this?
cdaddy7In respone to Viking, you must have your diet on point to maximaize your gain and goal...I built this diet based off the goal you stated:"Goal: Add on some lean mass (Of course diet & nutrition is key)"....Here you go brother...I think you will be pleased at what it yields if you follow it...By the way, I constructed for it for exactly you a 180lb seeking lean mass
Meal1:
10 egg whites
2whole egg
2 slices whole wheat bread
1 slice fat free cheese
1 tbsp natural pb
Meal 2
8oz chicken breast
1 cup oatmeal
Omega 3 300mg
Preworkout : 2 scoop whey=approx 50g protein,1 cup oats
Post workout: 2 8 oz. chicken breast=50g protein, 1.5 cup brown rice
Meal 3
1can of very low albacore tuna in water
½ cup whole wheat pasta
1 tbsp olive oil
Meal 4
6oz chicken breast
1 sweet potato
A hand full of almonds- that’s the way I gauge my serving
Omega 3 300mg
Meal 5
10 egg whites
1 slice fat free cheese
2 servings of broccoli raw preferably
½ of a red grapefruit
A hand full of almonds
Meal 6
1.5 1% milk with a casein protein shake for the night
1 cup of 1% cottage cheese
Hand full of almonds
Omega 3 300mg
Here's a link to help you research more
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
First of all I'd like to thank you very much for personally plotting this out for me. I appreciate it more than you will know it. To make you proud I will do a before and after log on here when I start. You bros have a lot more experience and wiser, I'm not one of those younger fellas who think they know it all and will stack everything just because and think everything will be okay i rather be safe than sorry. I love getting advice and suggestion from you older bros so therefore I would really like to thank you guys for taking your time and giving me suggestions. It's a learning process for me. This is an awesome community. I'm not even going to try and argue the fact that I'm going to do this since I have the gear coming soon If I were to do this I'm greatful to have you guys help me do it right at least. Theres more than enough of you older more knowledgable bros in here telling me not to so what i'm going to do is probably save these and get me some Var :).
cdaddy7+1 damn fine attitude brother and we are all family here and here to help u anytime....glad I could help brother....hearing those words u spoke makes it worth it everytime
Mama raised me right
I'm always respectful,calm, cool, and collective. Oh yeah and i got really excited when my Karma points went up out of no where haha! Also do you think the diet plan above will work well with cycle below of test p + var?
cdaddy7That was what it was for to do in combo with your cycle...But alone it will yield you nice gains too
He gets a +3 from me for that attitude also...guys like this make our job a joy.
thanks viking! is it safe to call you Uncle V haha
Just come back and let us know how this cycle/plan worked for you brother.... i like to see results!..get your head down and graft hard,spend time pre/prepping the meals..thats were the magic will come from... have a good run and enjoy yourself little bro
zewiAmen to that.. +1
zewiBOOM!!!!
VERY NICE JOB CD..HE CANNOT FAIL TO RESULT WITH AN EATING PLAN LIKE THIS.... THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT TO PERSONALISE THIS BRO... +3 FROM UNCLE V.
cdaddy7Always Viking, I don't mind but yeas, its different to costumize a diet vs. a cycle to me, but I want these guys to succeed in their cycles in a holisitc way and I think the more diet info I put out there it will help them with their own...That's my goal Viking...and Thank you for putting your seal of approval on it Uncle V!!!
I honestly wouldn't even bother with npp or deca for just your 3rd cycle.. harsh shut down.
I personally think you are too young for all this at 23. The below cycle is 700mg of prop and 525mg of npp ew at 23. This isn't going to help you reach your full potential in later life. I think a step back and proper look at your diet and training would be the way forward. Why shut yourself down so hard at this age when your making the best test yourself right now?
Just a thought, your going to do what your going to do but I think you should reconsider roids for the time being or at least slow down.
cdaddy7I think Zewi is on the money, shortening up that cycle to 8 weeks...caber is hard to find and so if anything its a MUST to have Letro on hand..I wouldn't start a cycle without it bc something always ends up happening when you do in the worst way
zewiThat's a long time to run Test P.
Im not against what you have up IMo i think it could be better..
You say you want to "Add on some lean mass" well IMO i think there is better cycles out there that you could achieve better results if your Diet is in Check. And if you want lean--you wouldn't add Dbol to that cycle--IMO i would add Tbol as the kicker.
Thanks for the suggestion brotha,
I understand diet. I can get that in check no problem. I've done it before, but the girlfriends fucks it up haha just messing
I'm not against adding Tbol I will most likely take your advice and go with tbol. I also agree with you that here probably is better cycles for my type of goal but I kind of already have these substance coming soon. Also what would you do for it to be better? Once again thanks for quick reply!
zewiBecause uncle zewi cares.... hahahahah.... eat well ... train hard.
zewiLMAO.. I love you Viking(no homo)
Dont tell everyone but i love u 2 (slight homo}...lmfao!
This is a lot of gear for a 23yo in my opinion bud...
zewiIm not saying its not. He has done 3 cycles.. Its his choice.
Brother i think this is too much for his age... looking at his current body weight his last cycles must have been flawed or he fucked up with nutrition... imo 500p 300npp max and drop the tbol... even with this dosage he must concentrate on a real cutting diet or it still wont work..he he gets this wrong i can forsee a body weight drop with zero gain in lean mass.... like you say his choice at end of the day
zewiO i agree with you i was going back and forth in what to do.. And your right i wasn't looking at his age until after i posted it.. My bad fellas.
We typed at same time bro..i like the one down below with the var...thats the one for him.
zewiBOOOOOOOM!
Don't get me wrong, I like the look of the cycle. Thinking about doing that next minus the t-bol. But that would be my 6th cycle and i'll be 33.
zewiI agree with you 100% that i wouldn't run this cycle.. at his age or even at this cycle number. He was going to do it anyway. regardless, that's what sucks when your younger--most of them think they no it all. But they are still going to do their thing..
I wish they would listen sometimes.
He would have been better of with this IMO...
1-8 Test P @ 150mg EOD
3-8 Anavar @ 50mg ED...
This is the perfect cycle for him right here.... nice and simple then he can concentrate on diet and training.
cdaddy7I can help with that!!!
That sounds awesome to me bro. Any suggestions for an AI during cycle? Also how about that caber? Thanks again brotha,
zewiI would have caber on hand or Letro just encase(IMO should always be on hand just encase)
Your choice i lean towards Aromasin.
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD.. if nipples get sore or sensitive 12.5mg ED
Arimidex .25mg EOD if nipples get sore go to .5mg EOD still sore or sensitive go to .5mg ED.
My thoughts exactly. I ran test p and npp last cycle and loved it. I also did not use or need caber.. I guess I'm lucky.
I'm getting Ready to run npp and test p. I was planning on adex .25 eod, and caber .5 e3d. Should I start with the caber for preventative measures, or only use it if symptoms arise?
150 test p eod and 100 npp eod
Would you mind If I asked what your cycle looked like as in how long and how much did you run? Also how were your gains. Thanks bro!