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2nd cycle - test p only - need advice

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Hey guys, I am planning for my 2nd cycle and want to run a short one of test p only, 150mg eod.

Stats:
6'2
200lbs
36 yrs old

First cycle was 400mg of test c per week for 10 weeks and then finished with 2 weeks of test p eod at 150mg. Followed by pct. Time off equal to length of cycle + pct = start date of the end of November.

Questions:
1. How long should I run this cycle (was thinking somewhere between 6-8 weeks - would prefer 6 but not sure if this is too short)?
2. Pct suggestions? Can I get away with nolvadex only or should I add clomid? I recovered fine from 1st cycle with nolvadex only and kept 90% of my gains. How long should pct go for a 6-8 week cycle?

Thank u in advance!

0b1kn0b's picture

Man, you guys are phenomenal! Thanks for all of the advice!

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Lucky you... you got ALL the big guns on your thread today lol...lol

Have a good run let us know how it turns out ok bro Smile

0b1kn0b's picture

Thanks guys! what is the current consensus on incorporating proviron into pct?

fast48's picture

If ya roll the short ester cycle.....at least pm tread or vike to get help finding no pip prop and delt pin help. No pip prop will surely make ya spoiled.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

Proviron is a steroid bro

Look, I know your excited and like most guys you will gravitate towards the answers you want to hear. I strongly disagree with these guys. They are excited to be here and their info is spot on but they are taking very little consideration in who they are doling info out to..
This is your second cycle so you still haven't gotten pinning technique down, its more than jab and push. There is site rotation to think about, do you even know what these sites are and/or attempted pinning them. It also takes time to train your sites especially if you plan on abusing them (like you will on a short cycle) Then there is PIP. Prop is notorious for PIP and believe me if you don't know what to expect it can effect your training as well as your life. You hit your quad with some nasty prop and you will be hating life! Trust me! In the end everyone does what they want but this way you won't be 4wks into it saying WTF! You are officially informed...

0b1kn0b's picture

Thank u very much for the info. I do have experience with pinning eod as my last cycle I finished w/ 2 wks of test p. granted this was only 2 weeks as opposed to 6-8, but again I managed well. I have 4 sites that I used during my 1st cycle and feel comfortable that rotating between these should get me thru (Glutes and quads). I have experience with prop and its pip. My thing is I want to go for a shorter cycle as I prefer this to waiting the 1st 4-6 weeks for the test to build into my system.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Take hollywoods advice bro.. he is spot on and his words are from self experience!... if you dont want to wait for the test to kick as you say why dont you think about doing a frontload of the long ester first so your system is flooded with hormone... or against my better judgement do an oral kicker d/bol or t/bol ??? ED pinning is not for the faint hearted bro and like H says if you have some fire pip prop life is going to be a real bitch for a month.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

X2... mine are like footballs through pinning twice pr day lately on pre/comp prep.... totally painless delt shots just place the pin on the skin and push.... i have to look and check its in its totally painless in side lateral head.

fast48's picture

I switched to 25 x 1 for delts but the naught nurse pokes me so its easy. For self injects the 5/8 might be easier?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Yep sounds good bro.. i use 25s 1.25in for everything i leave about 5ml of pin showing even in pecs, i find the deeper the better especially in this condition i am now i dont want any oil resovoir lumps showing thats another reason i pin twice a day pre/comp no more than 1ml in any one shot to keep the muscles shaped properly without any lumps and bumps... thats your PRO TIP for today lmao!

fast48's picture

Definitly will remember that advice! High five!

fast48's picture

You really need to read bro! Hollywood is correct. Ive been running multipins eod for 12Weeks and it fkn sucks! Im more advanced and running 6 point injections. So i'm guaranteeing you the 4 is NOT enough and you're in for a short cycle and eyeopener.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

That's the trial by fire that is only appreciated post cycle LOL!

fast48's picture

If he adds delts....the right sized pins and no pip prop....it won't be bad. My second run was Ed Winny/test e using only 4 point. I was so chewed up. Wrong Ga pins and no delts. So, no it won't be bad eye opener. Just learning very fast

Detroitnate's picture

I think u would be better off with something like this for a 2nd cycle

Week 1-4 Test P @100mg/EOD
Week 1-12 Test E @500mg/wk split
Week 12-14 Test P @100mg/EOD

Arimidex .25mg every 3 days starting no later than week 3
Start PCT 3 days after last Test P shot
Clomid daily 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex daily 40/40/20/20

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fast48's picture

x2!

HllwdBdBoy's picture

IMO hold off on short cycle until you get a little more experience more with PIP, pinning technique as well as site rotation and training your sites

Catalyst's picture

X2.

Get more used to pinning before you're ed or eod. Takes a whileto get used to feeling like a pin cushion.

P's picture

Answers:

1) IMO a run of 8 weeks will be perfect for a short ester. Ideally you would want to pin ED IMO, but EOD will suffice.

2) I always follow the Nolva + Clomid protocol (40/40/20/20 + 100/100/50/50 respectively). However, for my current cycle (http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/ps-cycle-adventure) i have adopted GS, Cdaddy7 and Zewis protocol, which is:

G&C’s Ultimate PCT:

Aromasin 12.5mg Daily continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily

Zewi’s Ultimate Tweak PCT:

Aromasin 12.5mg EOD continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong.

Zewi posted updates on his experiences of this PCT protocol and it works...it works well!
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/gcz%E2%80%99s.....)

RickRock1086's picture

X2!!! Clomid is a must have in your PCT