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cycle and pct advice please

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I am currently finishing my 4th week of a test c 500mg per week 12 weeks cycle. This is my first cycle and i am thrilled with the results so far (up 12 lbs). i had some nipple swelling and sensitivity that started up about a week ago so i have been taking 20mg per day of nolva to treat. when i realized this sensitivity, i went ahead and ordered some anastrozole to use during cycle instead of the nolva. i plan on running the nolva thru today and tomorrow to make sure the gyno symptoms have completely cleared and then i will replace the nolva with .25 mg anastrozole eod (will increase/decrease if necessary). i have also started 500iu of hcg this passed week to run thru cycle to keep testicular atrophy in check. my research and concern now is for ensuring a good pct (preferably keeping meds to the essential minimums). i plan on starting my pct 2 weeks after last test c injection. now my questions:

1) when do i stop running the anastrozole? last injection day, 1 wk before pct??
2) when do i stop running the hcg? last injection day, 1 wk befor pct??
3) i plan on running nolva only for my pct (open to listening to advice to add clomid if necessary). what dosing schedule should i use for the nolva? was leaning towards 60mg day 1, 40 mg day 2-11, 20mg day 12-21
4) what other supplements should i include (and what dosage) during pct? creatine, vit c, etc??

stats:
6'3
192lbs
35 yrs old

0b1kn0b's picture

@tread-m and FCVtec,
thanks for the input guys. i am posting my diet now. please review. thank you in advance.

poofinger's picture

Clomid made life very easy for me..
I dont like hcg... Its $90 for 6500iu here in australia, But the doc makes me do it lol.
there is another drug you can use while on cycle instead of clomid called naltrexone.. but youl have to read up and see if you like it.

poofinger's picture

Fair enough.. I cant remember where I read the HCG (low dose) stuff.
You owe it to yourself to read up on other ways of using HCG, I never said Im an expert of it... but low dose twice per week would raise test levels high enough to cause estro related sides.. so if you were taking 500mg of test per week and didnt have any estro sides, adding hcg as you suggested could then warrant the need for arimidex (or nolva). But read up on the dose needed to actually tell the balls and HTPA to start working, 500iu wont cut it. I also like to limit exposure to HCG because it is a female hormone... (I know nolva and clomid are related to this.. synthetic estrogen ect).

So many people have knocked me for suggesting clomid from day one? Its a far safer and cheaper way to prevent your balls from going to sleep in the first place then using HCG.. PCT is made much easier, and because of his age (35) I thought he'd want a painless PCT?
No-one knows how badly shut down he is at week 4, only a blood test would show us, But i bet he'd rather keep his balls a decent size while on cycle?

Im not "some kid" either mate... Im your age only bigger (no offence).
I learnt the hard way about failed PCT and all the bad stuff and try to pass on what Ive learnt, But I get flamed coz I dont regurgitate the same crap people have read on forums for years. If you do think its unsafe ect.. have a mod delete it, but I do think there is some merit to what Ive suggested.

poofinger's picture

OK...
HCG, works great as single big dose, taken randomly. Taking more than once every 7 days can cause gonads to stop responding to LH ect..
Ive read the article on 500iu being the max dose, at that dose it can cause an increase in testosterone by 200-300%, but it doesnt send enough of a signal to the nads to start producing test. Over stimulation from HCG occurs from constant low dose injections.
How come when people go to their endo after another failed PCT they start them on the doses I suggested?

Clomid EOD while on cycle:
Unless youv been living under a rock, clomid takin at 50mg EOD from day 1 of a suppressive cycle (tren, deca) can prevent testicular atrophy greatly.
Deca killed me the first time I used it (had a long time recovering), Endo suggested clomid EOD on next cycle, Balls stayed the same size (on 1 gram of deca) and PCT was pretty easy.
Considering how cheap, effective it is, why wouldnt you use it?
Its not as nasty or harsh as youve made it out to be...

poofinger's picture

Fuck off moron, and when have I ever told noobs to pm me?
Never inject 5000iu of HCG? 550iu isnt enough to do shit. you obviously have no fucking clue what your on about.
Have someone ban me then you fucking tool...

0b1kn0b's picture

Yah, little lite, hence the juice. Couldn't add weight. Been working out for yrs and eating well.
What dosing schedule on the clomid? 50 mg daily for 3 weeks? Thanks

0b1kn0b's picture

Thanks. This is the first time I am hearing to use clomid while on cycle. Also, I would prefer to keep my testes by dosing hcg during cycle rather than the post long term shutdown jump start.

poofinger's picture

1) Stop it 1 week after last injection.

2) Save the HCG for PCT, Start using 50mg of Clomid EOD now and till the end of your PCT.

3) PCT:
-Nolva (you nailed it!, but run it for an extra week at 20mg)
-Clomid 50mg EOD (start now though)
-HCG 5000iu injected on day 1 of PCT and once every 7 days (4 injections).

4) Keep Protein high (500-600g daily), Train 1 day on/2 days off, dont try to increase weights during this period, no alcohol, 8hrs+ sleep per night.

datman's picture

Ahem.. (datman clears his throat). This is the 2nd b.s. post I have seen from this guy in the las 24 hours.. you obviously do know what you are talking about... Misinformed garbage... Really starting to piss me off..

poofinger's picture

Im not posting anymore brother... I get the msg
Just gona read and keep my ideas to myself Smile

datman's picture

Sorry bro, I was a little worked up earlier.. no hard feelings.. (bro hug) nohomo :-)

poofinger's picture

haha all good mate..
The majority rules though...
Ive pissed off too many people lately so its best I take the hint Smile