2nd cycle advice, look alright?
Hey, so I am getting ready to run my second cycle in the next few weeks and am looking for peoples input. My first cycle was Test, deca and dbol (after visiting this site i know i shouldnt have done deca in my first, but lesson learned and no negative sides thankfully) I have a coach who takes care of my diet and training and compete in powerlifting so more worried about strength rather than low levels of bf%. I will also be getting blood work done before, during and after to make sure everything is sound.
During the cycle i will be looking to cut down roughly 6-7kg, while obviously keeping strength as high as possibe.
Cycle
Week 1-12 Test E/C 400-500?
Weeks 1-12 EQ 450-600?
weeks 1-4 Anavar 50mg
Weeks 8-12 Anavar 50mg
PCT (starting 2 weeks after last pin)
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Hcg??
i have arimedex still on hand from the last cycle but dont think it will be needed. My questions would be does this look okay and what doses would people suggest for the Test and EQ. It seems most people suggest 400 test and 600 eq but just looking for feedback from some more experienced people.
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hey brother i gotta ask u this did you use an anti prolactin with deca like caber or prami ???
Toss the anavar and eq and run another test cycle. maybe do test prop as a kicker with test e as the long run ester. Don't throw another compound in until cycle 3. Promise you will gain just as much or if not more with just test. eq should be run for at least 16wk and this is your second cycle so think about it. Waaaay too long a cycle for your second time around. Drop the eq and the anavar youll be thankful you did. get a decent pct in check before buying the gear. bloods and all that is required for maintenance.
EQ Causes more BP issues than any other compound in my experience, and BP issues = anxiety and lethargy.. It dose however make u look vascular as fuck. I feel the sides of this compound are usually downplayed, as for me it had worse sides than anything else ive taken. ( this is once it kicked in at around 6-8 weeks )
I know you asked for doses of eq and test however id say drop the EQ and replace it with mast or go test with proviron as dacky suggested below..
Gear is not needed to cut, it will allow you to keep some fullness you would loose while cutting carbs. When you loose this fullness while cutting your not perma loosing muscle they are kind of deflated due to the lack of carbs your eating..
Hope this helped in some way!
Yea that does help thanks. Thats whats also good about the forum, reading books is all well and good but it just isnt the same as human experience!
But yea I will be following what dacky laid out, thanks!
Stats
Age: 25
Height: 178cm
Weight: 90kg
BF: 15% ish
Way to complicated and not set-up right at all. EQ not needed and not been run for long enough. PCT start date is wrong given the undeconoate ester from the EQ.....no taper. This cycle is beyond you right now and just not needed.
Simple test e cycle at 500mg ew with provi at 50mg split dose ed to free up the test should be more than enough of you to protect muscle mass and strength while dropping 6 - 7 kg. No need for anything more complicated.
Those stats are a little old, i dont really keep it updated. But thanks, as i said in another post im curious as to why 16 weeks on EQ? Everywhere ive read says 8-10 weeks?
But I will drop the EQ and read up a bit more on proviron and probably add that in too thanks.
RustyhookerUPDATE YOUR STATS UP TOP AND POST PIX. YOUR CYCLE IS GOOFY FOR FAT DROP. FAT IS FOOD AND OUTPUT
Second cycle your adding two new compounds, both being ran wrong? Why would you put 8 weeks of stress on your liver with the Var? I see you haven't posted any liver protection as well... And eq for a minimum of 16 weeks, but I don't think you need that at all, that's over a gram of gear on your second cycle! Slow down man, it's not needed.
Run this...
12 weeks Test E, first 4 weeks Var at 50mg split doses am pm.... Ai as needed, tudca for your liver and standard pct.
Good point on the liver protector. Im curious though as to why everyone quotes EQ for 16 weeks minimum, everything ive read has 8-10 weeks as a minimum?
I will drop the EQ, what would you think about the Var at the end just to help peak for the competition?
EQ for 12 weeks? Either 16-20 or don't bother. But if your a power lifter why play with EQ?
Also, you can drop that 6-7k without gear....
So from what ive read Eq causes a nice gain of strength while protecting muscle mass. Whenever i have cut down even with the use of a coach i have always lost a lot of muscle mass, hence why going this route. Why risk the lost of muscle when there is compounds that help protect this while also add in a strength increase?
If you're losing that much muscle mass while on a cycle then your diet is off, sounds like you aren't eating enough while you cut ... What are your macros during a cut? As for the cycle I won't comment until I know this
I was working 1 on 1 with Renaissance Peroidization with a coach who has a Phd in bioenergetics, so im guessing we did everything right. My body is just incredibly stubborn. I can dump calories in and not gain 1lb but as soon as i take some out i loose muscle mass.
No you didn't. If you are losing significant muscle mass while cutting then you obviously are not doing it right. You need a nutrition coach not some coach with a PhD in bioenergetics or whatever.
bioenergetics or whatever?? You realise human bioenergetics literally translates to the balance or energy within the body? He also was the head of nutrition and kinesiology at a well respected university... I not sure what you would class as a nutrition coach but from a reference point of view you would be hard pressed to find anyone with his credentials
He obviously isn't working for you if you lose significant muscle while cutting or you can't gain any mass unless you are on cycle. You need to find somebody else because whatever he is telling you clearly isn't doing the job. Don't be so hung up on credentials. Get somebody, credentials or not, that can get you real world results.
Looks bunk.
Care to expand on how it looks bunk?
For a start research eq. Half life etc etc. I feel and see shit all till week ten or 12- ive only ran it twice. Gives me grief mast is far better and superior and actually safer.
I did, everywhere ive read says 8-10 weeks minimum so i obviously though 12 would show benefits. However it seems from everyone's experiences that this isnt the case and would probably pose too much risk without any real reward.
That's 8 to 10 weeks to kick in hence it needs to be run for 16 minimum. Flash has got you above on ester lengths. Have a read of this forum I wrote https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/check-your-es...