2nd Cycle advice
Hi there, looking for a bit of advice.
I ran a 5 week course of test (3 short esters) and Winstrol a good few months back, pinned twice a week so was running 400mg of test and 200mg of win a week. Also used a low dose on anavar..It was basically to help me shred for holiday.
Iam not looking to put together another course with Sustanon 350 and EQ
was originally planning pinning 1ml of sus 350 every 5 days with a for 8 weeks, introducing Anavar at week 6 and running that for muscle hardness and vascularity. I have tamoxifen and HCG for the end of the course and PCT.
But now I would like to add EQ, was thinking about 300-400 mg per week?
Iam Male
41
5ft 9
180lb
18%BF (will drop down to around 14% before starting the course.)
Been weight training on and off since 18 years old,
Ive been doing a lot of road cycling over the past 10 years (time trials)
The last 2 years I have been doing more weight training and have recovered a lot of mass from before my road cycling.
I will still be doing road cycling later in the year, but its flat time time trials so not bothered about gaining muscle.
Goal is lean mass/vascularity/definition -
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Everything has been pretty much said. Just follow what these guys said. Def add clomid to pct. As far as EQ goes, it can raise your bp quite a bit if you don't donate blood while on it and at 41 it could already be a little elevated so if you ever consider it just make sure you're safe. Also EQ cycles are meant to be run for long periods of time - 16-20 weeks and at higher doses, like 600 and up to rip the full benefits of that compound. Recovery after such a long run is much harder and fyom what I see, you don't have an experience to do it. So like everyone else said, ditch sust, forget about EQ. Keep it simple. You'll save money, avoid nasty sides and you will grow more than you expect if your diet is correct for your goals. Also, I recommend you do some more reading on pct and on cycle ancilaries. Good luck bro
Thanks for the replies and advice....I will take it on board and read up more on pct etc..I wasn't planning on running any cycle until February/March. When I do I will stick to the one compound..test e..and run it and hopefully enjoy the results..
I agree with med. Test only is all u need for the goals u want. I don't think u need to use sus. Because every 5th day isn't enough to keep bloods stable with all the different kinds of test in it long and short esters. Every 3 days would be more ideal with sus IMO. You should go with test e or c but if u don't mind pinning every other day go with test prop. But from what it looks like you arent pinning right with your short esters. Biweekly isn't enough brother. I think u need more research brother. What does your diet look like brother. Your carb,protein,calorie intake? And have you gotten bloods done. That IMO the most important part in cycling
RustyhookerWow. Short esters shot biweekly. A whole page can be written on just that being wrong.
Sust as your first cycle......wrong again.
Post meal plan and workout plan. Im not seeing anything proper here.
TronMatty, brother i have been on trt for 4 years and have been cycling on and off before that for that for years as well as sports, weight training, etc. What you need to do is get yourself a meal plan designed specifically for your goals on this upcoming cycle carb\protein\fat ratio, caloric intake and a well designed workout plan designed specifically for those goals as well. That is better than any cycle you could ever imagine. Now, as far as adding aas to that do around 500mg of test E or C a week for this specific program. No more, no less. I STILL get great results bumping my trt up to 500mg for blasts as long as my diet is right on the money and training is persistent. Now, unless your planning to compete in bodybuliding or something of the sort there is no need to potentially put health at risk for vanity. Try what i said and see what happens..
Rustyhooker^^^^^^this
Switch to test e or c. Sust is not for you as you'd need to pin it more frequently than test e or c. If you're looking for lean mass, my advice is to keep your test between 300 - 400mg per week. More will bloat you up and you risk more of the test aromatizing into estrogen. I'd add clomid into your PCT and emplore you to research how to run it for 4 weeks along with the nolva. How do you plan on running the HCG? What did your last PCT consist of and how did you run it? Have you gotten blood work before to get a baseline, during, and after to see if you've recovered?
You need to be using one compound.
Rustyhooker^^^^^boom
JoneDoeYep I'm with you on that a basic test cycle would do great for where his stats are he has a lot of room to grow. I would do a Test E for 12 weeks 500mgs a week
WadeBEEBOoM! FR sent bro
Confirmed....
The sus 350 looks like this
Testosterone Propionate.40mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate:60mg
Testosterone Isocaproate:100mg
Testosterone Decanoate:150mg
Thanks for the replies men,
I will maybe stick to the Sus 350 this time and see how it goes.
Would I be looking to pin twice a week? or every 5 days as I had originally planned?
Its just the pip from the last cycle was really bad and was trying to keep the pinning frequency as low as poss ha ha..
If the Sus goes well I may run it a little longer.
Again, thanks for the advice.
Sust needs to be pinned EOD at minimum for blood level stability. If you're looking for minimum pin frequency, sust is not for you. Even running long estered cyp or enanthate you would be pinning twice per week.
You could try switching your pinning technique. Using a Z track method, and then pinning with 30g pins should help minimize the scarring from pinning.
PIP could have been caused by several things last cycle, what concentration was your gear?
Nice, bro!!
Easiest little tweak to anyone's pinning technique there is, and it so often gets thrown under the rug. I taught my GF how to use this method and it took her two pins to get it right. I don't remember what it's like not to pin with this method!
Its a great technique...it pulls the skin taut...and keeps the medication from leaking back out...
WadeBEEFirst cycle consisted of 3 compounds? Normally we advise test only for 1st cycle so you are aware of how it affects you and sides and it's a good way to really get to know the compound, my first 3 cycles were teat only to be honest. Then I added an oral on the 4th one as a Kickstart, but to each his own. Even though sustanon was originally formulated for TRT patients, injected once every 7 days if I am not mistaken, but in actuality I have found it should be pinner EOD to avoid hormone fluctuations. EQ takes a long time to kick and I don't think 8 weeks is sufficient, you will be coming off by the time it is just starting to shine. 12-16, shit 20 weeks is more like it for EQ. 600mg a week is my sweet spot, which I learned over a period of time. Anavar is a fairly safe compound, but gives me cramps regardless of how much potassium/taurine/water I comsume. If you are set on just an 8 week run, I would suggest sustanon and NPP. Both will hit fast and clear your system fast which will make the transition into PCT fairly smooth. Considering You maintain a clean low sodium diet, NPP will produce Lean muscle tissue without bloat unlike deca, it's "cousin". It will also provide some comfort to creaky joints and lube it up nicely, so if you have any knee pain from cycling, it will minimize that, but personally a 19 nor is not typically ran on the 2nd cycle, on top of your ancillaries, you will also need to have either caber or prami on hand just incase proclactin issues arise while on NPP. I were you I would just stick with sustanon and anavar. Goodluck and hope it works out for you man.
JoneDoeSust needs to be pinned eod bother. If your looking to pin less you may want to go with a long ester like Test E that would be a lot better for your goal of mass.