2nd Cycle Advice
Hey guys. I was just wondering if i could get any input on what any of yous may think a good second cycle is. To help yas out ill post a few stats.
5'9
190lbs
Under 10% BF
First cycle:
Sustanon 250 For 15 weeks.
750mg/week
That is what i ran for my first cycle and got solid results. Weight went up to about 197lbs. I kept alot of size and ended up leaning out pretty good with my diet.
Now i am just looking for advice on a second cycle. I would like to go bigger and maybe rest at 195-200lbs and be this lean or close. But we shall see what happens.
Any suggestions are appreciated and will be carefully looked over and researched to decide what i shall do.
Also to add those stats are what i am at now. I did finish at around 193-195lbs but dropped a few as i had a small injury.
Thanks!
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Looks good, all the right things and doses etc, well thought out :-)
You could try NPP instead of Deca leaner gains faster acting less bloat but will possibly help with your injury and lube your joints etc.
Couldn't see your age anywhere, that would be helpful in choosing what if anything to add in.
Depending on age, goals etc you could try Deca, NPP, EQ, Masteron, Primo, Winstrol etc.. Then there's orals too but I'm not a huge fan personally.
How's your appetite and diet? Did you struggle to eat the required calories and protein on the last cycle or was it all good?
Appetite is great. Was really good during my cycle ate a ton. appetite did go don alot when i took var in the past. Diet was dialed in well too. Probably not perfect but i liked it. Lots and lotsof chicken. No added sodium to anything no butter lil to no milk. 5-6 meals per day. Salmon, Lean ground beef. Rice HW all in moderate servings. It deff worked well for me
Cant forget i was also downing almost a whole bag of spinach per day. Fu****ng love that shit!
You can try an oral like tbol or var. Or if you just want to pin twice a week go with test e or sustanon(I find sustanon to hold less water then test e) and add some eq. It's similar to deca with less water retention but needs to be ran for a long time 12-14 weeks.
Yeah sustanon worked pretty good for me. Think im gonna go with the test e im not worried about pinning it doesnt bother me at all. did it through my whole first cycle wiuthout any problems.
This is what i am considering please advise me if this look to be ok.
3 Vials : Test Enanthate 250mg/ml, 10ml (week 1-12 at 500mg/wk)Mon,Fri
3 Vials : Test Propionate 100mg/ml, 10ml (week 1-4/8-12 100mg/eod) Mon, Wed, Fri
Adex : 0,25mg/eod (week 1-12/ (also during pct?)) Mon, Wed, Fri
PCT : nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
Also Would you suggest i stick ith the MWF or start with that then go Sunday as well then tuesday and so on. Or is MWF gonna be ok?
And if i did decide to also go with Deca 300mg/ml, 10ml.. Would 1 pin a week for 10 weeks at 300mg/wk be good or should i split the pins to .5ml/150mg and pin with test e MF?
Mon..wed...Fri...sun...Tue etc
Deca bloats.....see bottom for finishers
Alright ill go with var then since it hasnt failed me yet. Thanks!
tren. lots and lots of tren. oh wait... i thought this was the dumbass thread.... disregard
First thing i thought when i seen tren "isnt that shit intense as hell" lol
i thought your name was trensomething when i first looked
No wouldnt even think of looking at tren on a second cycle. Know some people who took it and say its some pretty crazy stuff.
Well i wasnt sure on what my cycle will be so i havent got my ai or pct planned yet. But if i was to run prop id probably be taking something like this..
PCT
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
AI
adex .25mg eod
Perfect:-)
WHat's your ancillaries looking like? AI/PCT? Got to make sure all your bases are covered
Yeah i have also taken var once before, Seemed to work well with me. So yous would say test e or c over sustanon? And also i dont need to be crazy lean even if i end up over the 10% mark that is fine with me if i see some nice gains. I understand that you cant really grow too too much without losing some definition in the process.
Definitely a single ester of test will keep your levels much more stable. Less fluctuation Less sides in my experience. Not as much acne, aggression and paranoia. At least for me personally.
Alright with sust the only acne i would get was around shoulders and a bit on my chest. And as for agression little to none. But i dont mind trying another test. Body may like the switch.
Awesome! I didn't have the same luck:-( It's always fun to switch it up in the begining cuz you're exposing your body to new substances. After a while you know exactly what works best for you and that's what you should stick with.
Great. What would you suggest to run if i were to get the prop and test e? Say 12 weeks or would you go longer. Money is not an issue and can get whatever is necessary. Would something like this work well?
Prop - week 1-4
test e - week 1-12
Followed by pct.
yea i def would go with another test cycle.. seemed to work well for you , if you can get good gains with one compound stay there..
Sorry didnt see the var comment below at first. Forget i asked about the dose.
If you don't want to do Var add some prop to the cycle as a kicker and taper. Prop is the best ester of test IMO if you have'nt used it you definitely should. It really depends on your goals and williness to pin. I use it for kickers and tapers every cycle. Really makes the "JUICED" feeling more immediate and intense.
Yeah hear its awesome how it kicks in so fast. While my last cycle took about 3-5 solid weeks before anything really noticable. I also hear test p injections can be quite painful..But no pain no gain i guess
Some do some don't bro. Try and research for one that has E.O. which is less painful. But regardless, the PIP is worth it to get that immediate impact instead of waiting for weeks to feel "ON" like you said
Thanks for the input so far guys. If i were to run var would yous suggest 40mg a day with teh test or more? Also i was looking into maybe deca. Read alot of good stuff about it. what yous think?
If you want to stay "lean" deca shouldn't be in this cycle. Deca causes some bloat so its not ideal when trying to stay defined.
It would be hard to maintain being so lean on deca. It can be done obviously but aromatization will be a big issue on deca. Deca is very versatile but would require more ancillary use on cycle as opposed to the Var which is mild in comparison. I would start @ 50mg ed on the Var. Adjust the dose thereafter based on how you feel and whether your pumps are bearable or not.
TestE/C and add a prop kicker and taper. If you don't wan't to use prop an oral like Var or Tbol would be good. Both will lean you up and add some nice strength boosts. Keep it simple man, add one compound at a time.
Id go with another cycle of Test. If you had success with your last cycle without other compounds then why change it up so fast.
Test E 500mg a week split.
If your stats are somewhat accurate then a simple test and var/Winny for 12Weeks will boost ya solid. Ya dont need high dose either. 500Mg/wk test e split and either 60-80Mg var/dy OR Winny 25-50Mg/day. Not two orals together....that'd liver overload.