2 on 2 off
So I have decided to try the "2 on 2 off" for my next cycle. I have a few questions and would like to run this cycle by some of the more senior members. Any advice is appreciated.
Cycle;
Day 1-11 - 100mg Test Prop
Day 1-13 - 50mg Dbol
Day 15-29 - 20mg Nolva
I have an AI on hand and will use EOD during cycle.
I was planning on front loading the Prop at 200/300mg the first day or two.
Will I need to front load either the AI or Nolva as well?
I was planning on doing two-a-days and lifting heavy. Large consumption above maintenance. One thing to consider I only have two test e cycles under my belt and know to keep the minimum effected dose but heard during these 2 seekers you want to get it in hard and fast. Does anybody have ANY advice for me on this plan? Thanks. Also, I was planning on doing 3 of these in a row. Then taking some time off.
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RustyhookerRead the last part on last page op.
Thanks. Reply here on front top
https://thinksteroids.com/articles/two-week-steroid-cycle-case-study/
So a bit more digging I found this article were B.R. states this cycle only works with trebolone acetate and/or dbol. Never tried either compound but was considering dbol, don't know enough about trenbolone. The guy in the study claims to been at his natural peak. (He looked pathetic.) But claims top have kept 8lbs at the 4 week mark. Which is on par with my desired 20lb in the next year goal. Interestingly, he claims his blood work shows improved T productIon and better cholesterol profile.
Mate, no offense but why don't you stick with regular cycles which have been done over and over again.
You say, you just wanted to hear if something like is possible...well, I guess you received a lot of replies from highly recognized members and still you keep pushing.
It seems like you will stick with it until someone is giving you an approval to do it that way. No matter if 10 people recommended something else, you gonna listen to that one guy who gets here and agrees with you.
I'm actually about 10-15lbs lighter than my natural max. So the reason I'm wanting to do this is to regain the muscle I've already built. Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm not one of these 18 year olds wanting to pin and gain 140lbs over night. I'm here for advice and feedback. Suggestions. I am NOT here to get a "go ahead" from someone i don't know to feel good and safe when i jump into a cycle I've no experience with before. Change the whole cycle, i don't care. I'm asking for advice. But I'm not going to just stop researching and asking advice because i get a couple of "huhs?" I'm trying to explain WHAT my goal is and WHY. If you go straight to feeling insecure because i don't blindly follow bro science - stay off MY thread. Thanks for your input.
Hehehe, thanks for the laugh! Needed that man :-)
Following tnation articles and claims that he's not into bro science, hihi. Do whatever you like, I didn't mean it as an offense against you or any of the reasons behind it, I simply wanted you to ask yourself, why you want to take a road hardly anyone had gone before. But as mentioned, do whatever you like. If you're pissed only because I told what impression I have, go on with whatever you're doing...man...this attitude
Ps. how do you know your natural max? Have you ever been there? (and this is a rhetorical question). I'm out
I haven't DONE anything yet. So my statement is true. I'm glad you got a good "hehehe" whatever that is? You want something to laugh at? Check the feedback on your current cycle, idiot.
Not to mention;
You claim to be pinning test at around your natural levels? Smart.
Pointless arguing in threads doesn't get anyone anywhere.
Just try it out for yourself and if it works come back with progress pics to show what worked for you.
Merry Christmas.
True. Thx and merry Christmas to you too.
If you get bloods well running this, get them on and off the compounds. That will prove or disapprove this weird cycle. Your physical results will help, granted you know how to eat and train properly.
Hopefully you do the bloodwork to really see what's going on. Run a log either personally or on this site also. Merry X-mas
Thanks for feedback guys. Bill Roberts is were I got the idea. I read some good reviews of people claiming to do this. Keeping around 3-6 lbs of gains after pct. My thought was with little or no sides and a mild short term shutdown...I could do this 10x a year....keep 25/35lbs and not have a lot of health repercussions.
bigmurphYeah man I would recommend you read the posts i put in my post earlier today and just build a real cycle you can always run 8 wks with short esters. Just make sure you do more research so you don't do something like this and waste time ,money,and your health.
Good luck brother
This is not enough time to build any muscle, maybe a a pound? idk to be honest. Prop takes about 10-14 days to fully kick in, dbol will put water on you quick but it also takes a bit longer for the gene expression to occur and muscle building to start at the rate we are after using steroids. Youll essentially just be shutting yourself down for nothing, when the drugs are finally kicking in and the muscle is starting to come you stop. the one drug you can really benefit from in 2 weeks is anadrol, it kicks in hard and fast but then stops just as fast as it started. Theres no logic to this, ive seen the theorys on super high intenesity cycles going 4 weeks but never 2, and i still wouldnt go 4 weeks, 6-8 minimum. Muscle takes time to build even on steroids, this shit isnt magic, its not gonna add a bunch of muscle to your body in 2 weeks. I really dont see much of anything happening in two weeks. Ive kickstarted cycles with prop and dbol before and the only thing that occured during the first two weeks was water weight, strength didnt even kick in for another week or so. it took a good 5 weeks before i looked at myself and thought ok ive added some decent muscle to my frame.
scrap this. There will be zero benefit. If you want to run a short cycle try 6 weeks with prop and dbol. Atleast with that you can walk away with some new muscle and strength.
It takes 10-14 days OR LESS for enanthate to enter and LEAVE your system....how do you get this "prop 14 days to kick in"?
No enanthate takes at the very very least 18ish days to get to low enough levels, not even clear, even more like 21 days to reach low enough levels to start pct. idk where you got your info from. And depending on the dose will also depend on how long it will take to clear. How do I get prop takes 14 days to kick in? Idk I've ran it many many times so I know when it kicks, and even then you just feel it strength takes even longer followed by muscle.
Ok. But doesn't the Half-Life drop enough before that to allow you natural levels to recover before all exogenous test has completely left your system? Would this 2/2 work with something like suspension? Or should I totally forget this idea and look at something 4(6)- 8 weeks?
Thx
Sounds like one hell of a hormone roller coaster ride.
its a bill roberts protocol. from over at meso and tnation. some people have tried it, i just dont see the point and logic behind it. so essentially its blasting high amounts of non estered AAS along with orals for two weeks and then coming off? thus, theoretically not giving the hpta enough time to get shut down? ..but, even if that theory holds true it also means, to weeks isnt enough time to really benefit from using any of the drugs anyways.. seems like a flawed approach imo
T-Nation article....enough being said...
Yeah I mean it could work if he was using suspension but he would spend 3/4 of the 2 weeks waiting for prop to kick so yeah flawed for sure.
I'm not stuck on the Prop. Just wanting to know if something like this is possible.
Rustyhooker11 days???? Explain that one....
dont believe i just read that ;/
Rustyhooker11 days.....um...ya. :(
2 weeks on and 2 weeks off is something you do with dianabol/anadrol, while you are injecting a full cycle of test. You don't stop the test too.
sorry but this seems very dumb the prop will just have started really kicking it as your discontinuing it... Just run the prop for 6-10 weeks and be good. You will start to get the gains at 2 weeks and then lose them all from pct.
Would you be ok with posting up a pic? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone ever running a cycle like this. So your on cycle is only 13 days? What is your cycle history and what are your goals for this cycle?
You can't find my pic or cycle history? Hint; one or both are in my post.....
bigmurphIm confused do you mean weeks or do you really mean days
The first thing we need is your cycle experience also where you got this idea for this cycle and the reason behind it also your goals that you are trying to achieve and explain your pct and you might want to search pct protocol and im going to post a link i think will help
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
I got it from bill Roberts. I have 2 test enanthate 12 weeks cycles at 500mg a week. (And two prohormone cycles....eww) I had a slight raise in bp during my last cycle and didn't like it.... I am looking to be able to do 3 or 4 of these and keep the sides next to none. I've done a lot of reading and reviews on this theory and heard a lot of positive feedback. If I can keep 5lbs a "cycle" for a total of ~20lbs over yhe next 6 months with little to no sides....I don't see the drawback. I've heard your natural productIon barely shuts down on a Cycle like this and you're ready to go again. Why do a 12 week cycle where you'd be lucky to keep 20lb gains and worry about sides and a massive shutdown? I appreciate all these guys feedback...but most the guys crying out "smh" are promoting tons of gear in varying in length are on trt or doing cycle after cycling and their pics and stats remind me of my little brothers physique. And bill roberts has done actual studies with blood work on this theory. (So he says)
RustyhookerDefinitely need real stats and priors on this
2x 12 week @500mg enanthate.
6'2" 205lb 13% bf
RustyhookerWhats your goals? I like a short 6 weeker but typically leave those alone unless im right at my goal size. Short blast just to bring up a few weak spots.
Im seeing 11 days. Thats not enough. Roberts posted 4 week cycles.