posted Sat, 06/03/2017 - 07:23
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+ 1 1st cycle ever. Need advice
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3 vials of 250 mg Test E
2 vials of 250 mg Deca
1 package of aromasin (50 pills )
I'm trying to put together an order and if I'm basing off my first cycle, I'm curious if this is enough?
12 week cycle 1-12 on test e, 1-10 on deca, 25 EOD of aromasin 1-14
I have done a lot of research and I'm basically asking for advise and if I'm missing anything worth mentioning for a first cycle.
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Dont mess with the deca dude, you will get so much out of just test. Make sure your diet is right for your goals and stick to it. Get your blood work done. Do not try and rely on how you feel to control estro. When I purchased my 1st cycle I got a dex as well as aromasin and I'm glad I did. The aromasin was not agreeing with me and as soon as i made the switch my e2 got in check and stayed there and I had a phenomenal run. Make sure you get your pct. Thats the most important thing!
Just my two cents, if this is your first time with injectables, DO NOT overlook the importance of propper pinning technique, my first 6 weeks of my first cycle sucked! Couldn't sit or squat without severe pain, there's gonna be some soreness with virgin muscle but there's no need for excessive pain. Staying healthy and pain free is more important than any gains imo.
Absolutely for sure. Watch plenty of YouTube videos and read a lot. I heat up my gear before pinning. Always be as sterile as possible. Go slow and keep your hand steady.
For glutes you want the upper outside portion. For quads aim higher rather than lower on the outside. For delts there is a triangle that is the sweet spot videos will show you.
Youtube vids finally made me comfortable with spot injections. If you do check these vids you're gonna run into a guy named Tony Huge whos got a lot of experience and knowledge(not gonna debate the quality of that knowledge) but the dude actually advocates against aspirating. If an advanced user wants to contradict me, listen to that user, not me, but somewhere around pin 200, when i was actually going to stop aspirating the needle, i got a nice shot of bright red blood in my oil, never read whether or not you can pin that mix so i tossed it, moved over an inch to re-pin, aspirated and got blood again! Two pins in a row, that was about 150 pins ago and haven't had the problem since, but i ALWAYS aspirate.
I stumbled upon a video of his last night where he warmed up his trt oil, which is perfectly acceptable and something I do, but he ran the syringe under hot water straight from the tap... now if a newbie does that and even so much as a bit of tap water contaminates the oil and the newbie injects it..... the newbie should probably be prepared for an abscess / infection.
My warning is that information on YouTube and the "fitness gurus" on social media do stupid shit and viewers should be cautious especially following strict hygiene protocols when injecting!
Yeah i didn't get that, i always warm the vial.
My doc/nurse never aspirated when I had to go in for my TRT shot, so that is good enough for me so I never aspirate either.
The only time I aspirate is in my quads because I have both hands and it's easily doable. I've heard that the pressure from a vein will cause the plunger to move back with ease and a slight flick will cause it to draw blood on its own. I have no idea first hand though, so ymmv.
I hear ya, just my two cents, and if i'm being honest i've never heard one horror story about someone mainlining oil cause they didn't aspirate, its just something i scared myself into doing permanently.
I tried the whole aspirating thing but all it did was give me pip because the needle moved around more. Some people do it and some don't. Niether is right or wrong.
First you are going to want to cut your bf% down before you run anything. You say its high but don't mention it.
Second you need to do alot more research if you believe that this is a first cycle plan.
If you want my help i would be happy to help but you might not here what you want
I prefer to hear what is right versus what I want lol. My body fat is probably between 15 and 20 atm. Before jail I was around 10 or 11
Update your stats...can you post an unidentifiable pic?
I tried but it won't upload it from my phone for some reason, could be my browser but I've tried 3 different
Do a good cut and get to around 12 or less.
You are proper age, so you're good there.
Run just test your first cycle. That's all you need. I suggest 500mg a week split between two shots @ 250mg each. Run this for 10-12 weeks.
Make sure you are getting plenty of rest and your diet is on point, too. It is more important than gear.
I would have given you a +1 on that except you need to stress the importance of pct and an ai
Absolutely correct. I forgot the training wheels aren't off yet.
Lol you're good brother
For a pct what would you recommend
I would reccomend the basic cookie cutter pct
Clomiphene 100mgs 2wks then 50mgs 2wks
Nolvadex 40mg 2wks 20mg 2wks
This way you can see if you have any bad sides from either compound also you will have Nolvadex on hand just Incase of gyno flare up. I would use pharma grade pct and ai atleast pct.
Thanks I'll start my order
Look into a bottle of HCG, too. It's cheap enough, I won't ever start PCT without a blast of it ever again. It will stimulate your HPT Axis with FSH and LH, causing your testes to swell back up and signal them to prepare to produce testosterone on their own. I know this is a whole new can of worms, but I want to make you aware of it's existance.
Shit when im locked up i shed bf so fast. I can't eat that dog food they give us.
Your cycle is flawed brother don't run decca first time around.
Just test and an ai if you added Proviron in my opinion it would be ok but you shouldn't because first cycle you are really trying to learn how to control your estro
Send me an fr we will talk about alot but I believe that you really need to do alot more research
Yeah thanks man I'm gonna stick with test and AI. I'll maybe use deca on my next cycle. I need to test the waters first
Better to experiment with testosterone in its different esters, focusing on diet and lifting, than to start using nandrolone to soon.
Bloodwork brother...if you havent used any AAS, you need a baseline before injecting/eating AAS.
You take advice well thats welcome around here.
Please send me a fr and if you have any questions I would like to help you get your diet gear and cycle all in order brother
Murph will keep you pointed in the right direction, I would accept his offer.
Help me help you.....( quote from Jerry maquire)...
Bf%
What your workouts?
Nutrition plan? Expected results from this cycle? Goal?
There is much more to it than just pinning some oil and popping pills
I've been building straight bulk so my bf% is higher than normal atm. I lift high weight 5 sets of 12 to 15 reps in everything I do, chest, back, bi/tri, legs. I eat 200 of protein daily, low carbs, low salt, low fats, 5 to 7000 calories a day. I weigh roughly 185 to 190 at 5'7" looking to gain another 30 lbs.
Weight is 190....eating 5-7k a day? That's 4200 -6200cals of fats n carbs.....
I need a pic to see this...
I'll send a pic but how can I link it?
How does 200g of protein, low carbs and low fat translate into 7000 cals/d. I think your calorie calculator is broken.
Interesting indeed
Impossible. 100% mathematically impossible. So you're getting about 800 kcals from protein daily, yet somehow you're getting between 5k and 7k kcals in a day from a "low carb" and "low fat" diet?
Nah I'm saying that's what I shoot for is low carbs and low fat, I know slamming that many calories I still end up eating a lot more carbs and fat than Id like to. I'm not stupid and If you're going to talk shit or bash me then just jump off please. I am asking for advice, I'm not asking to be slammed....
Are you actually tracking your cals/macros or guestimating?
I keep track, and when I'm low and not hitting the numbers that day, I'll drink an extra supplement or two to get closer.
I don't know of anybody eating 7k cals/d and I now very few who can actually consume 5K. I have a hard time believing that somebody your size can actually consume that amount of cals. If you actually are more power to you, but just recheck your calculations. If you haven't been able to crack the 200lb barrier on that diet I'm pretty sure a cycle isn't going to do much for you either. You will need to be consuming 10,000+ cals.
Agreed
Honestly I was 205 and gaining slowly but fine. I had a hiccup and went to jail and the food there fucked me and I dropped down to 180 by the time I got out....I'm having a hell of a time putting it all back on, the weight I am gaining isn't lean like before....it's fatty and driving me insane lol. I'm pushing to build bulk and lean back down but it's jut too hard to do at the same time.
So you're eating 6.000 calories from fat and carbs a day. If that would be true, you should be aware of how bad and counterproductive that's is for your goals to get in shape. Taking testosterone will probably still increase your bodyfat
Well I quit eating like that after I got out of jail. My focus was to straight bulk naturally so my intake was just massive. I was looking to get to 225 then lean down from there. And try to maintain a lean 205-210 range. Naturally is just way different, I didn't think that I'd need gear but I want to now.
Ok where have u have been? Never heard of anybody being able to eat 7.000 Cals in jail...
Not in jail. ...smh....I meant when I was out. ...lol in jail I'm lucky to eat 1200 cals
How am I slamming you? Obviously I'm prepared to discuss diet before gear here
Is this a math question or a cycle question?
Cycle question...more than a math question. Lol sorry I am just trying t get my first cycle right with no problems. I take things like this very serious and I don't want to have long term or harmful effects.
How on earth did all of your research lead you to the conclusion to run deca for your first cycle? What you have going on there should be enough to put you on trt for life.
I was just going to say the same mak +. If research was done here, I think he would've seen deca on a first cycle is a no. And I don't see any mention of cabergoline or prami on hand for prolactin. My advice for first cycle would be test only. Save the deca for down the road. Without a DA, you're going to have nipples that leak and you don't have anything on hand to combat that
The aromasin would be the combatant as the AI, but yes I've also read up on to keep it simple and just run Test E without anything else for a first cycle and wait on the rest for a 2nd or 3rd cycle and to not make it too complex to make sure that your body reacts the way that you intend.