posted Mon, 01/09/2012 - 04:06
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What would get rid of natural gyno
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Hi I'm 25, had small hard lumps under my nipples since about 15. Had them looked at by doc and a surgeon to confirm it is gyno. Do you reckon something like nolva would reduce the size? If so how long should I take and what would be a sensible order to the UK as I wabt to make the most of the postage charge but at the same time don't want them getting intercepted on their way over.
Its ridiculous I've got low enough BF to have abs but still have to wear certain T-shirts cos everything else rubs like crazy so quite desperate to try something even if it ultimately turns out to be unsucessful
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mazarThere are some protocols out there with nolva but you have to use it for 12-18months using it for so long can cause you major risks since it clots the blood. Some recent studies show raloxifene is best for reducing pubertal gyno. 120-60mg raloxifene ed for 6-9months is supposed to reduce it a lot. Chances are you wont cure it but you will reduce it some. When you ever get on the juice make sure you give masteron a go its a great med for breast cancer and for gyno. For both nolva and raloxifene try alldaychemist they always come through for UK.
hey thanks for the in depth info I'll go for the raloxifene then. In your advice does "ed" mean "every day?"
On alldaychemist searching raloxifene shows 1 result, 60mg 10 pills. What quantity should I order? 3 months would be roughly 92 days so that be 10 packs. Is this too much to order in one go?
mazarI have used raloxifene for 140days and i really saw a huge difference in my pubertal gyno to the point that it doesnt bother me any more or need surgery. I suggest you get 200 of them they are very cheap only downside is they come in huge boxes so best get 100 at a time. I used aromasin also at 25mg ed but if you are not on cycle you will suffer from the low estrogen from so much aromasin. What is your plan exactly? You will need some sort of AI even for when you are done with your protocoll so you dont rebound. I would suggest you get some aromasin while you are at it and either stack them together (6.25mg ed + 60mg ed) if you think you have high e2 or running test along with your gyno reversal. By ed i mean everyday yes. I would suggest you go to your family doctor before you start anything, serms are known to give people blood clots if you are prone to those it wont be a smart idea.
If you are in the UK you can order a 3 month supply by the law, you could order 200 at once since a 3 month supply could be 120mg daily for 90 days. Just print a paper with your raloxifene "cycle" so if anything happens (which i doubt) you have something to show.
Thanks for the response, I'll answer each below;
i) I started PH T-bullets last week, after 4 weeks on them I'll stop and go on to Reload so 8 week course in total.
Would this mean I'd need aromasin to take along side raloxifene? On alldaychemist there are 2 aromasins, "Aromasin 25" is $138 but "Xtane" aka "U.S Brand Aromasin 25" is $35. Which did you use?
ii) What test should I ask my doc for in regards to the blood clots? Off topic but he's totally useless and despite my infrequent appointments he treats every query like I'm a hypochondriac so I'll need to quote the exact medical examination to prompt him to act, otherwise he'll just say "don't take these pills" etc. His solutions to the gyno in the first place were "you could stop lifting weights" and "if people ask about your nipples just tell them you're cold"
mazarXtane works a dream i found them to be on the spot and i have been using them for cycle and trt. Go for those no need to pay for the pfizer you only pay for the name.
I suggest you ask your doc about the meds (raloxifene mostly) i am sure he knows your history, he will know if you are anemic, smoker, high bp etc. Just tell him your plan and ask if you are healthy enough in his oppinion to do it. Tell him you will take the pills anyway (if you are decided) and you want his advice which is his job to give it to you. Be firm with him. If needed have some printouts of the raloxifene trials so you can educate him a bit.
I got no idea about PH only thing i would say about those is stay well away from them, some have got really bad gyno from prohormones even worse than aas. I would say you need the aromasin anyway at a small dose if what you running aromatizes you will need to up the dose. 6.25mg of aromasin should be enough if you dont run any aromatizing roids and 12.5mg-25mg if you run anything that aromatizes.
Maybe is time to find another doc although i am sure in the UK thats much easier said than done. My doc suggested antideppresants when i had low-t they are useless in the UK but whatever you get for free tends to be shit.
Also have you tried getting the surgery on the NHS? There is a way to do it just tell your doc that you are going to cut it yourself.. He will refer you to a shrink but after that you will get what you want. If you search on a few forums there is a few people that have used this tactic in the UK, result is free gyno surgery by top plastic surgeons.
Aww your joking? I once had went on an endurance run and my T-Shirt sliced my nipples to shreds, I could have gone to the doc and said I cut them myself and got surgery out of it! He did actually say without me even asking that NHS surgery was out of the question, and the surgeon I saw said he'd be reluctant to take 4k for what he considered to be quite a minor case.
I'm coming off the PHs as my circumstances have changed and I'll be unable to go regularly to the gym for the next few weeks. Therefore I'll start the raloxifene and aromasin 6.25mg in the next fortnight or so.
How long do I take the aromasin, as I'm going to order 100 (or 200 if affordable) raloxifene so just need to know the xtane amounts
mazarMaybe your case is too minor and you dont even have to worry about it? Take about 2 tubs of aromasin and that should be more than enough. Please do some research on low estrogen sides and risks for men before you start taking aromasin. Also when it arrives make sure you read the leaflet\side effects it has such as dyspepsia and alopecia so you know what you are getting yourself into. Raloxifene you can start it anytime, aromasin you would have to do some research yourself. Make sure you have enough aromasin for the time you are running raloxifene + 2 weeks extra. NHS surgery isnt out of the question if you show them that it really affects you they will do it the end result might be much worse than what you got now.
hey mazar I'm about to order and the Xtane is out of stock. Have you experienced this before with alldaychemist? I'm worried they wont be re-stocked and am pretty desperate to get started
Thanks for the info I'll have one last conversation with my GP before ordering but not holding out any hope.
Heres an image of what my chest looks like in everything, if a little worse;
https://www.facebook.com/pages/TheChest/282379375149424?skip_nax_wizard=...
Hey to help those who suffer from natural gyno from early childhood could you post a real pic of you minus head shot so we can see before shots of what it actually looks like and then you can post after pics whether from medication therapy or surgery. Think it would be extremely beneficial for those who suffer from natural gyno. I know it is personal and you may not be comfortable doing it but think it would be extremely helpful to see before and after not only for those who have natural gyno but as a wake up call to those about to do a cycle without proper PCT and AI treatments.
I originally intended to post a pic but I couldn't find a link where I can upload images. The best I could do is upload pics onto another site and link them to this thread. Have you spotted a function on eroid anywhere where I can upload a pic onto this forum? Or is it not possible?
My pics don't look like post-cycle gyno, which from looking on google images tends to be far more noticeable than what I've got. IMO my pics wouldn't be a great warning sign to those on cycle but you're welcome to use them
The Pitcure tab at the top and then self pictures and you could post as natural gyno pics. Before pics and will continue to post in order to help everyone out there suffering from the same. then can tell us what your plans are medications etc and allow us to see how your progress is. I know for me it would help a lot as I have a small lump from 15 y/o as well but only under my left nipple and luckily with proper AI and PCT it never got much bigger. But I want to try and get rid of totally so this would actually help me a lot and others probably as well.
hi bicepbetty heres the pics
http://www.eroids.com/pics/natural-gyno
Mazar did you get my last msg? Aromasin is out of stock, should I just go with the raloxifene or should I wait? The stuff I was on doesn't aromatise and the course ends at the end of the week so I'll have finished the cycle by the time the alldaychemist parcel arrives