posted Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:44
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Melanotan 2 and oral cycle of Dbol/ Anavar
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I am on my third vial of MT2; think its 1mg a day (mark 10 on the syringe) I normally do 5 vials each summer. I have never taken anything in conjunction with MT2 and done MT2 each summer since 2010 with no sides or problems.
I am considering an oral cycle of anavar or Dbol (as its all I can get my hands on). Would this be too much for my system? Don't want to overload myself with something too harsh and will give it a miss if this would be an overload. I'm not sure on the dosage of dbol/ anavar as haven't got them yet so recommended dosages would also be appreciated as would any advice on PCT.
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The answer is simple. No.
And are you naturally fucking albino??? That's a shit load of mt2... you're either the most pasty poor bastard on earth or your shits fake bro.
But back to the "cycle". No to your idea. Put up stats priors and goals and we'll be more inclined to possibly give suggestions.
Lol close to albino. I've always read thats a standard amount to inject after your loading phase. What would you say is a more sensible amount?
the goal is to put on some size, not to compete not to be a cover model to work through a plateau. I've come on here to consult with experts as I know a lot of guys at my gym don't take advice and just go on word of mouth, and get some great gains. They can get me what they take, the choice being oral anavar or oral dbol. Not my ideal choice as I want to avoid orals, but can only take whats available to me.
Well go to the steroid scource section and take a look around. You're far from limited. Do some reading around, pm me if you'd like. And learn about injectable test. The only cycle I'd recommend for you is long ester test only. Oral only is a horrible idea.
http://www.uk-peptides.com/home
those are the products I have access to but I have no idea what any of them are. Are any of these products what you'd recommend and just named differently?
Nah man. You need to look here.
http://www.eroids.com/info/based/uk-domestic
lol 1000+ sources and all he can get is dbol.
you'd be surprised (here in UK). There's some great sources linked all over this website but the problem is that the sellers don't want to recommend a cycle for what they are selling. Firstly as they probably get requests all the time for cycles, and secondly they are covering their backs as it kinda blows their whole "for research purposes only; not fit for human consumption".
I've had cycles recommended to me on this very site, but then gone to a UK seller website and found they don't stock all of the recommended gear. So the only way I could get a cycle is to copy and paste a UK seller's entire catalogue and ask you guys to recommend a cycle. Which I actually attempted once but it took an eternity. Arduous stuff.
Of course they don't wanna recommended a cycle man if you die it's kinda on them. You need to do you own research . Everything you'll ever need to know is on this website somewhere. These are very powerful drugs that can be used somewhat safely if you use them right, but if you don't no what your doing you can really hurt yourself. You shouldn't be using steroids for a long time your don't have the knowledge to do it safely and your clearly not showing them the proper amount of respect .
I know you mean no disrespect, but "Everything you'll ever need to know is on this website somewhere" I've found that not to be true. I've researched for years been considering usage for around 3 years. There's a misconception here that I'm a total gym novice and want to go head first into a cycle. Possibly because I'm not on this website everyday earning karma, Then when I do ask this community (and other forums) for a recommended cycle the response is NO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED DO YOUR RESEARCH. Without wanting to sound arrogant I have a masters in business and law so I know how to thoroughly research subjects when the information is available. The problem with AAS as there are no scholars or materials in this subject; its just websites. Community opinion is a helpful but not definitive source of information; as there is no real verification.
Just taking a look at Birdbear's beginner photo on the profile page, its clear that everyone starts somewhere... and I'm in greater condition than what that in shown Birdbear's starter photo. Looking at how amazing he looks for 24 its clearly worked. So it does grate to be told I'm not entitled to begin a course. I work in a role where I use my education and qualifications to advise people, so I know what its like to be on the other side possessing the knowledge, and I don't feel its the greatest solution to dismiss an enquiry and tell that person to go and build up a comprehensive knowledge of a subject with no assistance or input.
I will continue to research, it goes without saying. But even right now I'm receiving conflicting answers. You guys are saying the orals have sides and no gains, and yet I'm seeing for myself two friends making great gains with no sides. I don't doubt the legitimacy of your concerns but this illustrates to you the pitfall of using the internet to build up a knowledge on AAS
You say not too be arrogant but your masters degree means you know how to thoroughly research? Dude I barely got a GED. And have learned a lifetime of aas,hgh,and peptide knowledge here. Sorry but if you can't find it here then sir you may be retarded. Js. ... smh!!!!!
I understand where your coming from bro, but the thing is I would hate to say hey man take this this and this, and then you run with it. You go buy the stuff, start injecting it and run into problems which can cause some serious side effects and health problems. So the reason i tell prople to research on there own is because your more likely to come across other posts related to a good first cycle. So you find a post regarding a good first cycle, and a bunch of members chime in, maybe one directs the original poster to another post regarding side effects. So you see this and now click on it and read about all the side effects. You also see on the post responses regarding how long to stay on, how long to stay off, blood work etc etc etc. So your more then likely to come across and read alot of the other info necessary to do this safely.
For me to say hey take this worries me, becuas then i need to say take at these doses, for this long, take your shots on theses days, now i need to go into injection procedures, what to look out for regarding infections, what to do if you experience water retention, i need to tell you to monitor your blood pressure, i need to explain to you the basics of steroid esters so you understand why to wait a few weeks to start pct, i need to explain the importance of hcg, clomid, nolva and what they do. I need to give you a brief overview of gyno and watch signs to watch for, what to do if it should pop up, There is just wayyy to much shit that i would need to tell you if i recommend a beginner a cycle. You seem like a smart guy, so I probably could say this should be your first cycle and then you would go off and do all the research you need.
But my worry is like i said, giving a beginner a recommendation and thats the last thing they do, no further research, nothing. They go buy the gear and start injecting. And now they run into problems and have no idea how to handle it. So heres what i would do. test only. Now I'm not gonna sit here and link you to over 1000 first cycle threads, and thats what I mean when i say its all right here. This exact question has been asked over and over again. And theres stickys and posts on this forum and many other that literally give you everything you need to no so i don't have to try and lay it all out in on post for you.
You make some good points and some bad ones. I set a goal for myself and achieved it WITHOUT gear. I hit 260 lbs completely natural. Studying every aspect of training and nutrition and applying them, learning my body, learning everything. From day 1 I wanted to run gear. Who wouldn't. But I knew I had to build myself up naturally first. I out on over 100 lbs with training and diet alone. All the while studying gear and looking at how cycles are pug t together. My first 2 cycles were test only and I put them together purely by reading. And they were spot on. I was never a member of a forum. Never asked people online what to do. I just read everything about everything and figured it out myself. The point here is we want you to do that. We want you to compile information and present a well thought out cycle and be able to back up your reasoning for what's in it and how its put together. Then once you present your idea we will critique your work and ask you questions in order to pry information from you in order to test what you know. This is how we determine whether or not you're ready to be cycling. And at this point I think you're not there yet. Its not because we're all high and mighty self righteous dicks. We're not. We want you to be fully prepared for what you're doing to yourself. Because hormone manipulation is a very serious thing. It can realty fuck you up if you're not prepared. I promise if you jump into a cycle now, 8 weeks later you're gonna be saying "fuck I wasn't prepared for this". Whether its gyno, E.D., acne, rage, blood pressure. You need to know what to do and how to do it and what you need on hand to keep yourself safe. And at this point you simply do not have those things. Yes everyone starts somewhere, I started off with aas on the right foot with the right knowledge and did it all by the book and legit. I simply want you to do the same.
I appreciate that. But I have waited too long to go back to trawling spurious websites for information (and more commonly... MISinformation). I've read progress logs, seen communities endorse proposed dosages and products, thought I'd try it out, then seen the user's progress photos and seen no progress at all!
Contrast that to what I see in person on a daily basis. I know so many people taking stuff they have not comprehensively researched and watched them make great gains whilst they tell me to stop worrying and reading up on everything and to just get on their cycles. For example you two guys could use your expertise and formulate the perfect cycle, I could print that off, take it to a geared up PT I know and he could turn around and say that's all shit. Because everyone has a different opinion.
To me, using the internet to learn about AAS is just as reliable as using the internet to argue about who is the greatest athlete in a particular sport, or which is the better religion. There is no coherent framework to work off
You came here for the best information available on aas and that's what you're getting. Take it or leave it man. Hope you take it.
Kind of. I came on here for info on taking MT2 with orals and the discussion was diverted to my long term goals. I do feel my initial query was answered and I do appreciate that answer. My criticism was aimed at using solely the internet for developing a working knowledge of AAS; its just not possible
That's how I did it. Ask me anything. Seriously. I've tried asking big guys and bodybuilder dudes in my gym how they run gear and by the end of the discussion I have them changing how they run their drugs cuz I know more than them and am fully confident that I'm correct based off my experience and what I've learned on the web. Its all science man.
First and foremost we need some stats from you, age weight height bf and previous cycle history. And second ill tell you right now that taking two orals at the same time is a retarted and very dangerous idea. That should never ever be done.
you must have misread the post. Its a choice between oral dbol or oral anavar; not both. So it would be MT2 (injected) and an oral.
No cycle history; (unless you count crap like Epistane which was years ago).
Age 27. Weight 11st height 5"7
Masters degree at2 27 huh?
Masters degree at2 27 huh?
I hope you understand mt2 is not a steroid ... its a peptide that makes you tan easier...
lol when did I say mt2 is a steroid? I get it you're a pro to the forums I'm in awe of your expertise and I'm a novice. Lets get the bravado over with. The animosity on these boards is quite staggering
No bravado here pal I have to ask the prying questions to find out what's going on, I don't hand out advice to new guys till I know enough about your understanding of the compounds to justify it. The way you listed it as injectable aside evolution as an oral made me think you felt were pairing and injectable and an oral. So now that we've cleared that up. What's your bodyfat %.
ah I see, np.
I'd have to get BF checked again last measure was 10%
11 stone is what like 155lbs? Either way the cycle you're proposing is oral only. So no go. And your stats tell me you need to learn to eat. So I can't really entertain the idea of a cycle for you.
what countries even uses stone? Thoght they use kg over across the pond.
UK. We also use miles instead of kilometres and pints instead of litres. Other units of measurement include barometers to determine the likelihood of rainfall and in some regions they continue to hold a compass to a woman's stomach when establishing whether she be a witch
Beats me brotha I just know its 14lbs. Lol.
what is 11st mean?
Edit: just looked it up, i guess where your from they do weight in stone? never even heard of that before. But its 154lbs which is kinda light to be cycling.
sh*t I worked it out wrong. Im 80kg which is 12.5 stone.
So your 176lbs. The short answer is your fine taking melontan with an oral. Im on var and starting melanotan tonight. But now the issue here is the fact your planning on an oral only cycle which is a complete waste of time for a number of reasons.
thanks dude as long as I know its not going to destroy my insides I am willing to try it. I've always been dismissive of orals and ideally wanted to inject if I ever did a cycle. But I've exhausted my sources and never been able to get a proper cycle with the right guidance on how to cycle it.
I have been given the opportunity to sample either anavar or dbol which is why I'm now considering it. I can only go off the gains a few friends of mine have made, which are better than I'd have thought for orals. One friend in particular, taller than me around 5"10 and weighed less than me has made good gains. He's nowhere near your look of course, but he's outgrown me and outlifts me now; he's only been serious about the gym for 18 months.
As long as I'm not going to kill off my kidneys then I think its worth trying out. If it the only real 'sides' are shitting it out and it having no effect, then I'll try a course out.
Well here's the fun sides. No boners, bitch tits, moon face, shit gains that are mostly water. Oral only is a no no.
is that out of personal experience? I've read of these sides but the BT, moon face and water gains haven't been reported by any of my friends that use them. The boners I haven't asked about but tbh doubt they'd admit that
Ya thats personal experience from everyone who's been dumb enough to do it and from a scientific stand point you can see thats whats happen. You take a synthetic hormone, you body senses this and shutdown your natural production of testosterone. Testosterone is what makes us men, so now you've shut down your natural production of testosterone, and replaced it with methandrostenolone (dbol), or oxandrolone (var). Now how do you think your gonna feel if yo shut down your testosterone and didnt replace it with synthetic testosterone? like fucking shit, lethargic, depressed, little to know sex drive, most likely erectile disfunction problems. You have not done any research if you missed the most basic of of all side effects of dbol which causes massive water gains, and water retention=moon face. And not to mention you can't run dbol longer then 4 to 6 weeks, i know you think this shit is magic but you just can't build that much muscle at all in 4 weeks or even 6 weeks, steroids definitely speed up the process but you still need a solid 10-12 weeks to make decent gains which is why we use test for that duration and an oral (only after you've ran a test only cycle) to kick start things as yo wait for the injectables to kick in.
So with that said if you shutdown your natural production of testosterone you need to supplement with injectable testosterone. It doenst matter what steroid you take, testosterone is always your base if you value your dick working and not feeling like you wanna kill yourself all day for literally 15lbs of water retention. the bad far outweighs the good with oral only cycles.
thanks for the info. I have researched it but the problem with the internet you get far more reportings of negative sides than you get people saying how good it is. Its like any product. E.g if a TV goes faulty you can bet some guy is gonna log on to Amazon and review that shit whereas if its perfect you never hear a word because he's too busy watching TV.
I've always avoided orals because of the very sides you speak of, but then I see my friends using it on and off over the last year with moderate gains and it makes me re-think it all. (and they're far too scared of pins to inject so I know that anavar & dbol orals are their only intake).
but I do value your advice and I'll think against the orals. Which AAS would you recommend? Again I'd like it to stay on the mt2 whilst taking it
At this point I recommend you spend the next 6 months researching a basic testosterone cycle. And that's it . Then come back here when you think you know everything necessary and out up your proposed cycle in the cycle log section and that will show me if you did your research or not.
... that's like learning to drive but being told you aren't allowed to sit in a car you've got to learn everything beforehand and prove you are a genius prior to ever starting the engine
Hell no I'm not dumb enough to do it lol. Test only cycle man that's what I want for you.
probably a novice question about test, but doesn't that increase the chances of hairloss? I appreciate its dependant of hereditary baldness but if I started to recede.that would cause a lot more depression than any oral ever would
In some yes. Your proposed Anavar has a higher propensity to cause hairloss than test only.
All steroids have a risk of hairloss, some more then others. And that risk is much greater on dbol then test.