posted Fri, 01/06/2012 - 06:20
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Testisterone levels low after 6 week cycle 4 months later?
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Need some help from you guys...I started a cycle of winstrol 50mg in July and made it last for 6 weeks. I used tamoxifen as a pct for 16 days after cycle. I went for recent blood work in december and it shows testosterone level at 212 but prolactin level was normal. Is this normal months after cycle to have such low testosterone levels. What should I do? Dr wants me to start on prescription testosterone therapy in 1 month. I have not touched any other cycles since my last cycle in July. Any info would be appreciated. Starting to worry a bit.
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Ok so granted a Winny only cycle probably won't pack on a ton of extra pounds and oral only cycles are hard on your liver (not really a problem if you have a healthy liver though) and also granted 16 days of pct may not have been enough
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Why do you guys think a Winny only cycle would mess up your natural test production more than any other AAS?? I'm pretty sure it would not.
Another question I would ask is, was the Winstrol cycle the only cycle ever done?
It keeps coming up on my radar as one of the most suppressive AASs. Deca and Tren also being very suppressive.
I don't know the exact reason, it is more from my research on other folk's experience.
Knowing that winny is very suppressive, most folks seem to agree that, yeah it works, but there are better choices.
All winny oral will get results, but I'm not surprised by this side at all. PCT is paramount.
That’s very interesting, I had certainly accepted the fact that Tren and Deca were among the worst (They both make me want to jump off a bridge as well) but I hadn’t heard Winstrol was too. I’ve been out of the game for a while though so maybe this is new. I do in fact seem to remember reading it was rather mild. Hmmmm…in any event thanks for the reply!
Before doing my cycle of winstrol I investigated every area I had to. I'm waiting on my results for lh and fsh to come back then I'll see what my choices are. I'm about to buy some clomid soon. I don't understand my test is low but I'm fucking horny as hell and get hard ons all the time. I have a feeling my lh and fsh is fine because my dr office did not call about the results. If my lh and fsh is normal, what should my next steps be?
So the general consensus is that you went on a shitty cycle without the proper knowledge and fucked up your endogenous testosterone production. However, I don't think that you deserve to live with low test levels and be on HRT for the rest of your life.
The first piece of advice I'm going to give you, is to stay away from HCG. The vulnerable parts of the HTPA axes are the hypothalamus and the pituitary. If these start producing LH and FSH again, then the testicles are likely to follow by increasing endogenous testosterone production.
With HCG you are only stimulating your testicles, raising your testosterone levels as well as estradiol, and the chances are that hypothalamus and pituitary won't follow.
However something that has worked in the past, is clomifen citrate, taken over a course of 2 months with a dosage of 100mg per day. This was revealed by a study carried out on a frequent AAS user.
The clomid was first only administered for 5 days, resulting in the restoration of testosterone levels. This was only temporary however, so they went for a 100 mg everyday for 2 months protocol, and the testosterone levels increased by more than 50% and stayed there.
Another route you can take, is asking your doctor whether he will give you something called triptorelin. The actual product is called "decapeptyl 0.1"
Has also been proven to work. I would definitely try everything to restore my natural testosterone levels, rather than being on HRT. Your call.
Dude seriously did you plan on running as fast as Ben Johnson or what? Tell me where you saw a winstrol only cycle and what was it that made you do it? This shit is crazy.Did you take liver support? Who on earth told you to take it for 6 weeks? I could go on and on.
First winny only is not a cycle bro is an all out attack on ur balls and endogenous testosterone. Y would u do that to urself man. It's either cuz u never spent the appropriate time researching ur shit or ur too afraid to pin some test. I am seeing this more and more of guys taking oral only cycles or non test cycles which is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. After two major accident and spinal surgery I have low tes and will be stuck giving myself injections the rest of my life man and honestly it's sad bro. What's to say that I don't lose my insurance or my job and can't afford to buy test anymore. Than I'm fucked and subject to feeling miserable my whole life or even worse I die young from low test related issues. I don't mean to go off on u man but if u don't research and plan a legit cycle including proper pct u get what u deserve.
What was your total test before the winstrol? Next time do yourself a favor and run at least a 3 week pct no matter how mild your cycle was. If you didnt recover from your pct you are looking at 6-9months recovery time. I would run a 4 week pct before starting trt if i was you, then retest 3 weeks after pct and if you still low get on trt.
Tamoxifen does nothing to restore natural test, it only blocks the estrogen related side effects. Did you not use Clomid or HCG post cycle? Was your cycle a Winstrol only cycle?
Why cant he just use an AI instead of a SERM? Meaning Arimidex instead of nolvadex(tamoxifen). Study's have shown and yes i will bring them up if it is really needed
that blocking estrogen will naturally balance and leave more androgen receptors free therefore giving a higher test level (free test). A SERM is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator, did i say that right? Anyway it goes after, and only after, breast tissue receptors blocking them so they can NOT bind with estrogen therefore helping with gyno or bitch tit. This does nothing for the actual levels of estrogen in the blood. If he is on an AI for a little while it will keep his levels down where its needed until is hpta can kick back into play. Isnt that what we do pct? HCG and AI's. This would be my suggestion before making him spend all the money for prescription test gels, even worst case scenario just stay on the dex for a few weeks as I dont believe whinny can really mess up the hpga for that long, but on the other hand everyone is different.
This is not exactly true. Tamoxifen citrate, similarly to clomifen citrate, stimulates the release of LSH and FSH, which causes the leydig cells within the testicles to increase testosterone production.
The reason for both of them being used together is because clomids' effects are limited to the hypothalamus, whereas tamoxifen works at both the pituitary and the hypothalamus. A combination of both rather than tamoxifen-only is around 20% more effective.
Anyway, a winstrol-only cycle is just stupid.
Winstrol only cycle. What should I start taking now and would my test levels ever come back to normal? Did not know my test levels before cycle. Afraid to tell dr I was on juice or should I tell him? What's the best out there to bring back my test levels prescription and over the counter products. I don't want to start testosterone therapy if my body just needs some more time and a jump start.
AnonYou need to reread the above posts written be EBSNW1.. AND tell your doctor that you used winstrol ... ugh.. You will be my new poster boy for oral only cycles. Let us know what you end up doing though and if it works out.