posted Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:59
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Strangest Gyno ever?
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Hi everybody,
i'm currently using a tren a / mast p / test p blend at 100/100/100mg ed.
Never been prone to gyno and i never had any signs of it. Yesterday i noticed fucking liquid coming out of my nips. Well of course i was curious and started to squueze around a bit what led to more liquid. They are not sensitive, no lumps under them and not puffy. Last bloodwork one month ago prolactin wasn't elevated at all.
What the hell is wrong with me? Is it just a temporary prolactin build up and it'll go away?
Or full program with caber, raloxifen, exemestane?
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You have elevated prolactin levels. That would stem from you having an elevated E2. My suggestion is you up/take an AI to control your estrogen and take a DA to control your prolactin.
From your description you do not have gyno. But you are creating an environment where you can get gyno. So I would throw in 20mg of Nolvadex for 2 weeks while the AI and DA bring you back to normal levels.
But before you do any of this get blood work done so you know what your exact problem is. Because there is a chance that I or anyone else on here could be wrong and the only way to really know is blood work.
hmmm nolva could backfire on him though if his DA isn't dosed properly.. clomid was a safe bet for me in a cycle I did a while ago.. I just didn't feel 100% about my caber at the time.. maybe I'm just paranoid from bad experiences with caber being faked so much.. the lump actually shrunk to almost nothing but granted it turned out the caber was dosed correctly
I am not really following your logic. How would the Nolvadex backfire on him?
And although Clomid is also a SERM it is not nearly as effective as Nolvadex for breast tissue reduction. That is why Nolvadex is used for breast cancer patients and Clomid is used for fertility.
nolva up regulates progesterone receptors.. wouldn't be such a big deal if he didn't have all of this floating around in his system from tren.. at a very low dose I doubt it would be a big issue.. but since he's already leaking I'd personally leave nolva alone.. Yes for regular estrogen gyno symptoms I'd pick nolva over clomid but in this case no.. unless he is 100% sure his DA is dosed properly then using nolva shouldn't cause any issues.. I can say from first hand experience my BB sized lump actually shrunk with clomid/aro/caber on a tren cycle.. again I'm not against nolva with 19nor's as long as you have a good prolactin inhibitor to back it up.. but why not play it safe since you're already leaking and clomid will work more than well enough without adding to prolactin sides especially if your aro and caber/prami are good
"nolva up regulates progesterone receptors" That is simply not true. If it was they would not be using it for breast cancer treatment.
He has elevated levels from a 19 nor.. I don't see breast cancer patients on high amounts of tren or deca.. again this wouldn't be a big deal if he wasn't already on gear like tren
Yes but breast cancer patients do have elevated progesterone. But regardless of all that. My recommendation was to prevent gyno from elevated E2. You will almost never have elevated prolactin ( which OP has based on lactation) without elevated E2.
My point is playing it safe.. caber is bunked a lot =/.. the clomid will do more than enough in conjunction with aro and prami/caber.. I'm assuming he has both nolva and clomid on hand.. And from my experience it's best to attack both.. if it was just the fault of e2 then letro would do the job which it never seems to for anyone that's lactating.. maybe it dries up a little on letro but comes straight back
Bro check out my last two pictures I posted. I'm having the same issue and a lot people are giving some good input. I'd say mines probably much worse than yours but it will probably help you to take a look and see what people are saying
caber will help.. but prami will dry it out after it starts.. that's just my first hand experience
What's the window of time between blood drawn and this happening.. it very well could have started building up in your system.. I might even go as far as to pull bloods again just to see what's changed.. unless this was right after bloods
IMO if your to the point of lactating I'd go with a full program to avoid the sensitivity, lumps, and puffy nips
it's strange that you didn't get any sensitivity first but not unheard of