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+ 12 Some infos on T3

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Hey bros,

i wrote this one day ago for some nice members here on eroids who needed some info on t3 and they thought this could be useful for the community, so i post it here in it's own thread. It is copy and paste free and my english is not the best so please forgive me for some grammar fails etc. Smile

The pharmaceutical manufactured name for the thyroid hormone triiodthyronine (T3) is liothyronine. The thyroid Hormone is not directly produced from the thyorid. The thyroid produces only levothyroxin (T4) which is not directly active in the Body. It must first be enzymatically converted to T3. T3 regulates the oxidative metabollism. The oxidative metabolism can be defined as the burning of nurtients for the purpose of energy extraction. This metabolisation happens in the mitochondria ("the powerhouse of the cells") whereby ATP is built. ATP acts as a chemical girder for the produced energy and is the muscles primary energy supplier for their contraction. T3 is the clearly more effective thyroid Hormone of the thyroid hormones. It is four times superior to the Thyroxin (T4). Athletes use the liothyronine usually in the last 4-8 weeks before competition to reduce their body fat to the lowest percentage possible.

It increases the metabolic rate by speeding up the metabolization of carbs, protein and fat and by building more ATP from these macronutrients. By this effect the athlete benefits from highly increased fat burning. The higher energy consumption is partially based on enhanced cardiovascular effort which means basically that the heart beats faster and stronger. Alone through this effect a third of the ATP is depleted. A further effect of a raised thyroid hormone level is based on the enhanced production of so-called decoupling protein in the mitochondria. These proteins decouple the ATP synthesis from the breathing and causes the energy production in the mitochondria to be more inefficent. Inefficient means in this case that more energy is released in the form of heat and is "lost" because it is not used to produce more ATP. That causes that, even while sitting around idle, a much higher amount of calories is burnt. Another interesting point is that the intake of T3 raises the production of HGH. Since somatropin also induces fat burning, this effect could be another way of T3 to enhance it's fatburning features.

According to the strength of the liothyronine it is important to be very careful with this compound. If the user does not provide enough muscle protection with highly androgene steroids or the HGH muscle loss is predetermined.Many athletes use t3 together with Clenbuterol as muscle protection which is not useful because Clenbuterol does not have anticatabolic effects in the human body in the usual dosage (if you want to know why i can text you). But it has another fat burning effect. Studies have shown that T3 increases the amount of beta-2-receptors by what the effectiveness of clenbuterol and other beta-receptor-antagonists like ephedrine is enhanced.

Suitable Steroids for this purpose would be: Stanozolol, Trenbolone, Testosterone Propionat. These compunds are highly muscle protective and complement each other.

The intake amount and the lenght of the cycle should not be exaggerated in any case. Against the widespread opinion in fact there is no threat of permanent damage or hypothyroidism but the cardiovascular burden and the interaction in combination with other substances like Clenbuterol or ephedrin must not be ignored.

For a long time it was common for Bodybuilder to use 25-50mcg t3 daily to be able to eat a higher amount of calories. Thereby a faster muscle growth is reported. The idea behind this practice is that the thyroid hormone speeds up and improves the metabolization of protein [..]. So t3 appeals slightly anabolic. But considering to the before mentioned side effects this is not adviseable.

Another group of people who use t3 are bodybuilder who take HGH. In this case the daily dose is 25-50mcg to provide the higher t3 needs while on a hgh cycle. This is not recommendable because T3 has shown to reduce the nitrogen storage caused by somatropin.

As you can easily see now, liothyronine is absolutely nothing for beginner. Beginner should always take safer medicaments as ephedrine (ECA-Stack etc.)...

Dosage and intake:

Usually Bodybuilder start with one 25mcg tablet in the morning and increase the dose by another 25 mcg tablet every 3-4 days until the maximum dosage (100-150mcg) is reached.

Due to the halflife of 19 hours one single intake in the morning is possible but it is more adviseable to split in 2 or three doses for a better compatibility of the stomach and a more constant drug Level. Do not eat or drink any nourishments which are high in calcium two hours before and after the intake because calcium binds thyroidhormones in the alimentary canal and inactivates them.

if you want to take T3 to cover your higher needs while on HGH you usually take 10-25mcg a day which is enough. But as above mentioned this is not recommendable.

To discontinue t3 it's the same as above. You decrease the dosage every 3-4 days by 25 mcg, at the and you can take a half tablet before you are at zero. This will be enough time for the thyroid to reuptake its production. Some experts recommend not to discontinue and just stop the intake after the desired result is reached becaus the thyroid will reuptake it's production shortly, even after a longer-range intake. Although this fact is true, it is advisable to discontinue after the pattern above because it allows a fluent Transition.

Sideeffects:

Disturbance, tension, sweating, insomnia, weightloss (...), diarrhea, cardio-vascular Problems, cardiac insufficiency, Exhaustion, bone loss, myasthenia, Libido loss, erectyl disfunction, gyno.

Females additional: oligoarthritis, amenorrhoe.

The permanent damage or hypothyoridism can be counted as another Bodybuilding legend. A healthy thyroid will reuptake it's normal production even after intake for years.

Sorry for bad english Smile if you couldn't understand something just tell me and i'll try to rewrite it better. Hope you could get some useful Information.

Sources:

G. Löffler and P. E. Petrides, Biochemie und Pathobiochemie, Berlin: Springer, 2006.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/food.19810250432/abstract

T3 negates hgh anabolism
1: J Hepatol. 1996 Mar;24(3):313-9. Related Articles, Links
Effects of long-term growth hormone (GH) and triiodothyronine (T3) administration on functional hepatic nitrogen clearance in normal man.
Wolthers T, Grofte T, Moller N, Vilstrup H, Jorgensen JO.
Department of Medicine M (Endocrinology and Diabetes), Aarhus University Hospital, Denmark
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8778198

"triijodthyronin" by chemiDplus
http://chem.sis.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/ProxyServlet?objectHandle=DBMaint...

Hypothyreose: Substitution mit T4 und T3, german medicinal journal
http://www.aerzteblatt.de/archiv/17270

Thyroid hormone regulates hepatic expression of fibroblast growth factor 21 in a PPAR{alpha} dependent manner.Andrew C Adams, Inna Astapova, Ffolliott M Fisher, Michael K Badman, Katherine E Kurgansky, Jeffrey S Flier, Anthony N Hollenberg, Eleftheria Maratos-Flier
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/papers/20236931

datasheet 3,3′,5-Triiodo-L-thyronine Sigma-aldrich
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/t2877?lang=de&region=AT

BMS Anabole Steroide - Das Schwarze Buch 2010
http://www.amazon.de/Anabolde-Steroide-Neue-schwarz-Neuauflage/dp/B0018P...

Da_Ironpumper's picture

Hey Buddy,

nice informations on T3.
Do you think 500 Testo Prop and 350 Mast Prop is enough to safe your muscles from 75 mcg T3?

Would be nice for answer.
Thanks mate.

Greets

epixs's picture

Very interesting topic in regards to the decoupling done. Very interesting comment in regards to T3 being responsible for the mechanism of action of increasing the transport of protons across the proton gradient. If this truly is the case, wouldn't T3 have a very simple action to dinitrophenol-since its inducing uncoupling of the electron transport chain. DNP is a uncoupler as well, however the distinctions are huge in regards to how they affect anaerobic and aerobic metabolism.

Amazing write up, I look forward to more information!

irongame427's picture

This is a pretty decent write up but like 99% of information on t3 they fail to touch on the most serious side effect and that's the huge spikes in t3 levels that result from taking even as little as 25mcg and it's extremely negative effects on the Heart!! Everyone talks about the damage it can cause to your thyroid. Like he said it's mostly myth but who gives a fuck about your thyroid, if this shit messes up your heart ther is no heart replacement therapy like thyroid replacemt if you permentally fuck that up. If you mess your thyroid up there's life after that as shitty as it may be, but if you mess your heart up that's it, you're dead, end of story. Nobody even knows about this potentially dangerous side effect. It needs to be put out there.

irongame427's picture

Shit man thyroid shutdown sucks and all but you'll live. The effects on the heart is what should be stressed but nobody knows about it. Then add some clen to that as it seems to be the standard everyone's heard about what clen can do to the heart. Then throw in some steroids and you're really playing with fire. Maybe it's time I write up something about the dangers of t3 since nobody seems to know, aside from thyroid damage.

Dickkhead's picture

I'm clueless about this as well. I am scripted Cytomel (T3) by my endo and my cardiologist has never mentioned any dangers to me about it.

crazymofo's picture

Here are a few reads on t3 and cardiovascular effects. I have done a bit of research on the topic because I was actually misdiagnosed with hypothyroidism years back and really questioned the doctors diagnosis.

These two talk of how heart trauma(from something like surgery) can actually decrease T3 levels(hypothyroidism) and has shown to have a negative effect.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9489964

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12165116

This one better explains how both hypo and hyperthyroidism can negatively impact cardiovascular function:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9064969

In essence low T3 makes the heart pump weak and can lead to hypertension. High levels of T3 cause the force of the pumps of the heart or velocity of contractions to increase. The function has to do with the individual cells usage of ATP(energy). That is at least how I understand it. Anything more specific or detailed is well above my pay grade. I just know enough to be dangerous.

irongame427's picture

Will do. Soon as I get a little free time probably next week.

bolitekurac's picture

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bolitekurac's picture

Found my answer. Thanks

irongame427's picture

Fat thumb negged you so had to give you the thumbs up.

bolitekurac's picture

Keep your thumbs to yourself ! Smile

Hey if you do T3 write-up can you touch up on T4 too. I have abundance of T4 around the house. I was just chicken to try it. By the way my TSH is 2.7 as of month ago.

Steveking1980's picture

Excellent read and explains a lot+1

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Ohara's picture

Effects = the best fat burning product on planet earth right there with ephedrin. I would put it before ephedrine, but the difference is t3 is merciless and ephedrine can be abused, you will die/get sick but ephedrine can be abused, T3 CANT
abusing t3,increasing doses to high ones if you dont have enough muscle mass for those doses and enough food around you, will result in you losing fat and muscle at the same rate, so doses for 200lb bodybuilder should be kept at25-75mcg 100mcg+ go for the bigger lifters and they better know how to use it right,

what im trying to say in general is that if you are 210lb guy taking t3 at 200-300mcg a day, you better sit in mcdonalds for your 5 daily meals and order everything double, there are people who do it and their excuse for them eating so much junk and staying so lean is stomach ulcers or problems from young age while in reality they just overdose on t3 in addition to high metabolism to begin with in addition to lifting and looking athletic, those are usually the people who look athletic and lean with veins sticking everywhere while eating junk all day none stop. Its a way to look decent, but its not a way to be a bodybuilder

safety level is high if you know what you are doing. Taking 900mcg at one dose will result in problems for anyone. its common used product and i yet to hear anyone having problem with using t3

Da_Ironpumper's picture

Do you think 500 Testo Prop and 350 Mast Prop is enough to safe your muscles from 75 mcg T3?

CherryCola's picture

Thank you all Smile

Darktide's picture

This is very good! +1

CherryCola's picture

Haha thanks bro. I'll get my google translate pro card soon.

crayon's picture

In other words "T3 is good"

haez91's picture

Good stuff bro +