Running into problems 4 weeks after PCT
The Issue:
So i ended my 3rd cycle around two months ago, and my clomid/nolva pct ended 4 weeks ago. Now i am running into problems i have never experienced before. I am extremely moody,less energetic,cant get hard, and my balls have shrunk ALLOT since the end of my PCT even though i took HCG all cycle long.I will be getting my blood work done in 2 weeks so that will be 6 weeks after pct. I understand it is hard to recover from Deca but i have used it before and my balls didn't shrink AFTER pct nor did i feel like this. I have kept allot of my gains(15lbs) and im still hitting the gym 4 times a week. Once i get my bloods back and know for sure that my levels are very low, i am wondering if i should run another PCT and or HCG? or should i just deal with it and let my levels come back naturally?Pre cycle bloods, Mid cycle bloods, and my cycle log Are all posted at the end.
Last Cycle:
Test-E at 300mg E3D weeks 1-12
Deca 150mg E3D weeks 1-12
Test-prop taper weeks 12-14
HCG at 350iu x2 weeks 2-14
Adex .25mg E3D.
PCT:
Clomid (Fertomid50-Cipla) 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex (Astrazeneca) 40/40/20/20
Cycle log - https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/doing-it-the-right-way-bulker
Before cycle bloods - https://www.eroids.com/pics/before-cycle-labs-0
Mid Cycle Bloods - https://www.eroids.com/pics/5-weeks-on-geneza-test-e-7540
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Should i just run another pct? I am hoping to get some advice from some more experienced members before making any decisions.
No go get bloodwork done. Make sure it shows atleast test e2 LH and FSH.
You should have discontinued deca at least 3 weeks before PCT... What you need to do now is restart PCT immediately and not waste 2 weeks waiting for bloods...
well it was like a total of 18 days off deca before i started pct? You really think those couple days fucked up my whole pct?
I don't see any other logical explanation... You used hcg throughout, so your nuts didn't go dormant. Run 2 more weeks of Clomid at 50 and Nolva at 20 and than another two of just Nolva at 10mg... That should do it.
I'm no scientist but, running hcg the whole way through your cycle may have caused your body to build a natural tolerance to it, I would have upped the hcg dosage when the pct started, William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS is a great reference he goes into detail in this book about hcg protocol, it's what I use, his study's have been proven by scientific studies not bro science.
You should have had bloods done before cycle so you have a comparison after so you know how much your hormone levels have to recover.
I had many people look at my cycle log before i started and nobody mentioned a thing about my HCG dosages or time on, so i would hope its not because of that. Also please notice i posted a link to my PRE cycle bloods.
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I have a some negative sides several weeks after I stopped my pct also. I did a run of sust and deca for about three months, 500mgs sust 400 mgs deca. I started my pct of nolvadex 40 mgs clomid 100 mgs exemestane 25 mgs and everything was good until a few days ago, which is about 7 weeks pct, I started getting a little puffiness in my left nipple so I started taking the nolvadex 20 mgs and exemestane 12.5 mgs. It's been a few days and my nipple doesn't feel as sensitive,
AnonHow long did you wait to start pct after your last shot? Should have dropped the deca before the test.
I did mention that i stopped Deca at week 12 and continued on with Test prop till week 14. Waited 3-4 days after last prop injection to start my PCT.
No what you should have done is dropped your deca 2 weeks before the test. Decas ester is huge, you can't drop them at the same time. Your 18 days was just barely enough for the test to clear you were looking at another week minimum for the deca to clear.
Still tho logically this doesn't explain why this is happening to you. It seems that you were doling good for a bit during and after pct because the serms we we artificially elevating LH and FSH so as soon as they cleared you system your pituitary stopped producing LH which means no signal going to you balls which means shrunken balls and low test. And this is the problem I see with the nolva Clomid pct. it bypasses the very first and most important step in the HPTA and that's getting the hypothalamus to produce gnrh. Nolva and Clomid stimulate LH and FSH production from the pituitary but naturally the first step is the hypothalamus relaease gondatropin releasing hormone which then signals the pituitary to relase LH and FSH. So when the serms stop working what happens? Test production stops, we have done nothing to start gnrh production back up from the hypothalamus. The nolva Clomid pct makes no logical sense if you think about it. We need a new advanced pct method that starts from the very start of this hpta and stimulates gnrh production. I wrote a post about this check it out. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/possibly-a-n...
Ok well i jumped the gun and started this reboot 2 nights ago. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/the-rebootes... So i took 1000iu of hcg and 40mg nolva and already getting morning wood. I read your post but your saying that those two drugs are very hard to get a hold of. Do you think running this reboot will be harmful? Im confused as what i should do right now because i haven't been in this situation before. I feel as though getting blood work is just going to point out the obvious. You think i should get bloods done asap? Should i let the hcg clear my system first? I decided to start this reboot because i figured it would be better to start now rather than be shut down for 2 more weeks. My plan was to continue with the reboot i posted and after reading your post i will do research on triptorelin and maybe add it into the reboot and if i do continue i was planning on getting bloods done in 2 weeks to see how im reacting to it. I really respect your advice, what do you think would be best at this point?
The reboot might be harmful, thats why bloods were needed first. How do you know if this problem is originating at the hypothalmus/pituitary or in your testes/lydeg cell without blood work? You cant, you needed blood work done first. Then we can see where the problem is. if you had you bloods done and LH and FSH numbers are normal that means your hypothalamus and pituitary are functioning properly but your leydeg cells in your testes aren't responding to the luteinizing hormone, so they've become desensitized to the LH signal. Only time will fix this problem and running all the serms in the world wont do a damn thing and may even further suppress you. But If your LH and FSH numbers are low then another pct with serms might be beneficial. So theres no way I can advise you on what to do without seeing your blood work. Im not a magician I cant guess were the problem is coming from.
Ok so how long should i wait before getting bloods considering i did 1000iu of HCG and 40mg Nolvadex?
AnonSo a 2 week prop taper? Or is that 3 weeks? I would have run at least a 4 week taper while the deca cleared before starting pct. I never got a chance to look at the log, ill check it out now.
It was like a total of 18 days off deca before starting my pct. Obviously somthing went wrong. wondering if i should just run a more extreme pct.
AnonYeah, I still think that was too early to start pct. Like I said, a prop taper would have been a good choice if you went longer. 30 days of a prop taper would have allowed the deca to clear, you started pct about 2 weeks too early imo.
RustyhookerBoom! That buildup was still there during pct easily! +1 good catch
I did mention that i stopped Deca at week 12 and continued on with Test prop till week 14.
RustyhookerSounds like possibly still shut down. Any way to use Privatemdlabs.com ? Female panel and prolactin check asap? Might need to restart pct. On tren I had to go 6 weeks pct. Bloods are the only way.
Yes i will be getting them in 2 weeks. i want to wait a total of 6 weeks after i ended pct to get them done. I already know its not gonna look good so that is why i am planning my next step now. Do you think a second, longer pct could be helpful?
RustyhookerLook at bass killer website. There's a reboot pct of hcg, clomid, nolva. All laid out. I'd get bloods with prolactin test too so if you need caber, you can get it as well. Read basskiller, get the items ordered. Then you're ready to reboot.
Try horney goat weed. You can Google it's medical uses. Bloods are the only proof of what's going on. But you can buy your reboot gear. If it's somehow other reasons, the reboot can be used on next cycle.
Note...normal deca cycle. Deca stop week 12...test week 14...prop 16. Then pct. ..gives 4 weeks between deca and pct.