Help with incorporating HCG
I planned on using HCG as follows in my cycle plan but after doing a little more research i believe it makes more sense to not send mixed signals to the testicles. The testosterone will send the signal to stop producing and the HCG will be telling them to turn back on. I feel as though sending two completely opposite signals for 10 weeks could somehow cause harm. I would rather have my test production shut down for the 10 or so weeks and then turn it back on with a nice strong pct that would include HCG. If anyone has any experience with incorporating HCG in at the end of a cycle please feel free to comment.
This will be my 3rd cycle i am 27 5'8" 180lbs 17%
Cycle #1 was Test E 500mg
Cycle#2 Test E 500mg and Deca 250mg .5mg adex EOD with Caber on hand
Followed by clomid 50/50/25/25 and nolva 40/40/20/20
Upcoming cycle as of now is the following:
weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mg ED
weeks 1-10 deca 400mg
weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 600mg
weeks 1-12 adex .5 eod
weeks 3-12 hcg 500 iu
Caber and prami on standby
Clomid weeks 15-18 100/100/50
Nolva weeks 15-19 40/40/20/20
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HCG and When to Use It
A lot of cycles recently have HCG in them and I think that we must understand exactly what the purpose of HCG is and how to properly use it on cycle and PCT. HCG is only used on long cycles or extremely high dosed cycles. Not on a Test only cycle lasting 12 weeks or stacking with another low dosed compound. 12 or more weeks and heavy dosages warrant the use of HCG. Let’s look at why….
"Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a hormone produced during pregnancy that is made by the developing placenta after conception, and later by the placental component syncytiotrophoblast. Some cancerous tumors produce this hormone; therefore, elevated levels measured when the patient is not pregnant can lead to a cancer diagnosis. However, it is not known whether this production is a contributing cause or an effect of tumorigenesis. The pituitary analogue of hCG, known as luteinizing hormone (LH), is produced in the pituitary gland of males and females of all ages.
HCG is clinically used to induce ovulation and treat ovarian disorders in women, as well stimulate the testes hypogonadal (underproduction of testosterone) men. It is also used in the treatment of undescended testicles in young males called hypogonadism. HCG in males is similar to LH, because they are similar and LH binds to receptors on Leydig cells stimulating synthesis and secretion of testosterone, the use of HCG is an added bonus to steroid users even if there is a lack of endogenous LH. Since HCG increases the body’s natural testosterone levels, its use during long or extremely high dosed cycles can be most beneficial were the effects on the hypothalamus causes a depressed signal to the testicles. The result of the depressed signal leads to what is known as testicular atrophy (shrunken nuts). The use of HCG will send an artificial signal to the testes (again, as if it were actually LH), thus preventing (to some degree) atrophy. It not only helps to maintain testicular size and condition but it will also help in restoring testicles back to their original size. Restarting natural testosterone production as quickly as possible is extremely important in regulating our hormones back to its normal balanced level."
Now how to dose it….
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day cause too much estrogen aromatase activity. There is a theoretical belief that aromatase is actually toxic the Leydig cells of testes. Understand you are inducing primary hypogonadism (permanent) and treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (temporary).
250IU or 500IU on two days each week while on cycle is the usual dose to combat testicular atrophy, if it isn’t enough then use it more days each week at the same dosage rather than raising it because of the aromatase activity involved with doses over 500IU. Usually you start the HCG 2 weeks after you start your cycle and you can start it at the mid-point of your cycle until you finish. I always say let your body be the judge. You know your jewels better than anyone. If there is significant shrinkage compared to your usual, then its obvious.
At the end of the cycle after one week you can stop and the next week start you PCT
If you decide to use HCG in your PCT it is the same dosage of 250IU or 500IU for 10 – 14 days and stop. The testosterone production it induces will cause issues with recovery because it will continue to suppress the Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis (HPTA). This is where the standard PCT picks up and finishes the job making your cycle successful and complete.
Dosages for mixing:
Bacteriostatic Water for dilution is used.
5000IU/10ML mixed HCG is dosed as so below. Same thing if it’s a 10000IU/20ml mixed vial
250IU is 0.5cc in the syringe (50 units in a insulin syringe)
500IU is 1cc in the syringe (100units in a insulin syringe)
How does this sound, dropping the dbol and increase the length of my cycle by 2 more weeks giving me 12 weeks on Deca and 14 on test. Another question for the Adex, I never used adex in my last cycle i just kept it on hand and never had any sides what so ever i felt AMAZING throughout the cycle, i was wondering if i could just do the same just keep it on hand or take a low dose like .25mg e3d. As for the hcg you said "Usually you start the HCG 2 weeks after you start your cycle and you can start it at the mid-point of your cycle until you finish. I always say let your body be the judge" I think im just gonna use it when needed maybe mid cycle maybe end of cycle. If i run it mid-late cycle is it best to stop HCG with my last shot of test cyp? Or is it best to run it all the way up to pct maybe 4-5 days before pct depending on the half life? I cant thank you enough for your help im glad this forum exists!
Great write up plus one
As usual, thanks z. I just ordered some hcg and this write up helped me understand more about how it works.
I suggest drop dbol and deca from cycle and start your adex later...some estrogen is good..and lower your test to 500 and rock a sick diet and you can cut while retaining strength
your saying this due to the 17% BF?
Overall snyone can cut or bulk with any compound (its diet dependent) but i find it easier to lean out without deca or dbol..
your absolutely right i really want to drop the dbol and kickstart with prop but not to sure about the EOD pins. i have never had any sides like bloating but i have seen some bad cases with dbol.
Then drop it. Why do you feel need to kickstart with prop?.(not saying its a bad idea but i didnt see it in your cycle history and prop can be a bitch in the pip dept , plus you have to know your injection sites for rotating and be dedicated to pinning)..let test c or e kick in and get a feel for it and dial in you diet and you can get lean as shit and keep size. Test is more powerful than you think
I think im gonna drop the dbol and keep deca and test. My main question remains on how to finish off my cycle using hcg is it 1000iu a week up to 4 days prior to pct?
ZewiAnabolXSo you want to run HCG in your cycle??(and no its not 1000iu a week) so id your dropping Dbol--and you keeping deca and test what is your cycle going to look like now??
weeks 1-10 deca 400mg
weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 600mg
weeks 1-12 adex .5 eod
weeks 3-12 hcg 500 iu
Caber and prami on standby
Clomid weeks 15-18 100/100/50
Nolva weeks 15-19 40/40/20/20
So you mentioned in your post that HCG is only needed for very long or heavy dosed cycles. I know my cycle is not very long but during my last cycle of test and deca my nuts shrank ALOT and even after proper pct of clomid nolva they did not return to full size. After awhile they returned to normal size and i don't know if it was bunk clomid or what because i got it from a good source. This is a big reason why i want to add HCG into my cycle. How would you recommend taking it? throughout my cycle as i have planned?
What is your goal with this cycle? Bulk?
lean bulk, yes
Whats you diet gonna be like? Playing with deca and dbol at 17% is like playing with bloat hell...i dont touch deca even though it makes my knees and shoulders feel great
Stats and cycle history
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