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Help with incorporating HCG

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I planned on using HCG as follows in my cycle plan but after doing a little more research i believe it makes more sense to not send mixed signals to the testicles. The testosterone will send the signal to stop producing and the HCG will be telling them to turn back on. I feel as though sending two completely opposite signals for 10 weeks could somehow cause harm. I would rather have my test production shut down for the 10 or so weeks and then turn it back on with a nice strong pct that would include HCG. If anyone has any experience with incorporating HCG in at the end of a cycle please feel free to comment.

This will be my 3rd cycle i am 27 5'8" 180lbs 17%
Cycle #1 was Test E 500mg
Cycle#2 Test E 500mg and Deca 250mg .5mg adex EOD with Caber on hand
Followed by clomid 50/50/25/25 and nolva 40/40/20/20

Upcoming cycle as of now is the following:
weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mg ED
weeks 1-10 deca 400mg
weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 600mg
weeks 1-12 adex .5 eod
weeks 3-12 hcg 500 iu
Caber and prami on standby

Clomid weeks 15-18 100/100/50
Nolva weeks 15-19 40/40/20/20

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How does this sound, dropping the dbol and increase the length of my cycle by 2 more weeks giving me 12 weeks on Deca and 14 on test. Another question for the Adex, I never used adex in my last cycle i just kept it on hand and never had any sides what so ever i felt AMAZING throughout the cycle, i was wondering if i could just do the same just keep it on hand or take a low dose like .25mg e3d. As for the hcg you said "Usually you start the HCG 2 weeks after you start your cycle and you can start it at the mid-point of your cycle until you finish. I always say let your body be the judge" I think im just gonna use it when needed maybe mid cycle maybe end of cycle. If i run it mid-late cycle is it best to stop HCG with my last shot of test cyp? Or is it best to run it all the way up to pct maybe 4-5 days before pct depending on the half life? I cant thank you enough for your help im glad this forum exists!

rolltide3's picture

Great write up plus one

BigJay39's picture

As usual, thanks z. I just ordered some hcg and this write up helped me understand more about how it works.

Big13's picture

I suggest drop dbol and deca from cycle and start your adex later...some estrogen is good..and lower your test to 500 and rock a sick diet and you can cut while retaining strength

thenewguy1's picture

your saying this due to the 17% BF?

Big13's picture

Overall snyone can cut or bulk with any compound (its diet dependent) but i find it easier to lean out without deca or dbol..

thenewguy1's picture

your absolutely right i really want to drop the dbol and kickstart with prop but not to sure about the EOD pins. i have never had any sides like bloating but i have seen some bad cases with dbol.

Big13's picture

Then drop it. Why do you feel need to kickstart with prop?.(not saying its a bad idea but i didnt see it in your cycle history and prop can be a bitch in the pip dept , plus you have to know your injection sites for rotating and be dedicated to pinning)..let test c or e kick in and get a feel for it and dial in you diet and you can get lean as shit and keep size. Test is more powerful than you think

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I think im gonna drop the dbol and keep deca and test. My main question remains on how to finish off my cycle using hcg is it 1000iu a week up to 4 days prior to pct?

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weeks 1-10 deca 400mg
weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 600mg
weeks 1-12 adex .5 eod
weeks 3-12 hcg 500 iu
Caber and prami on standby

Clomid weeks 15-18 100/100/50
Nolva weeks 15-19 40/40/20/20

So you mentioned in your post that HCG is only needed for very long or heavy dosed cycles. I know my cycle is not very long but during my last cycle of test and deca my nuts shrank ALOT and even after proper pct of clomid nolva they did not return to full size. After awhile they returned to normal size and i don't know if it was bunk clomid or what because i got it from a good source. This is a big reason why i want to add HCG into my cycle. How would you recommend taking it? throughout my cycle as i have planned?

Big13's picture

What is your goal with this cycle? Bulk?

thenewguy1's picture

lean bulk, yes

Big13's picture

Whats you diet gonna be like? Playing with deca and dbol at 17% is like playing with bloat hell...i dont touch deca even though it makes my knees and shoulders feel great

rolltide3's picture

Stats and cycle history

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