You know my 2nd cycle i healed very fast and kept my gains well from torem alone. My 3rd cycle i went back to the standards and i wasnt quite impressed. Toremifene is a much smoother ride for me, i felt great, vry little down time and seemed to glide into recovery,. but....i was concerned with raising of shbg which is never really a good thing especially when trying to balance ur body into a normal state as it was before........

so i have come to the conclusion that i like it, and so do others, but this factor is of concern if you do some research. I have yet to come across the incorporation of proviron to counter the effects of SHBG rising.

I know Dr.s prescribe proviron without a test base and its not enough alone to supress the axis, so using along side Tor during PCT only seems logical., well to me anyways. ur thoughts? Thx