-1 Prolactin Gyno from Test E and Superdrol cycle?!?!
So I posted about a small lump I developed under my left nipple, which was a little delayed gyno. It developed during the last couple weeeks of my PCT and Im about a month out from PCT now and its still the same. I have been dosing letro at 2.5mg ED for about a week now and no change. I did a tet e cycle for 15 weeks and weeks 14-17 I ran sdrol then 18-21 Clo and Nolva at 100/50/50/50 and 40/20/20/20. I was on HCG and adex throughout cycle. So anyway, back to the letro. I have seen no improvement and I have gotten some feedback from some reliable guys telling me it might be prolactin gyno and not estrogen related. I really dont have the time or resources to get my blood drawn. Do you guys think its prolactin possibly? If so, can I just start dosing prami at .5mg ED for a few weeks instead of getting bloods done? Thanks
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Mosaic is right there is no such thing as prolactin gyno. However there is a such thing as high prolactin and lactation which is still an issue.
But assuming you do have high prolactin, a dopamine agonist would be the way to cure it. Prami/caber/bromo is typical protocol.
Not sure if superdrol is progesterone based or not. Another thing I would do is question your source for the testosterone and superdrol. Either way if prolactin is your issue you need a dopamine agonist.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/how-to-contro...
like i said though how can i tell if my prolactin is high without getting bloods...i cant...so can i just take prami if the letro doesnt work in a few weeks?
You are missing the point.
You have a lump, this is your concern, a dopamine agonist will do nothing for your lump.
If medicinal intervention doesn't work for lump type gyno then surgery is your only option.
I studied oncology andrology and endocrinology for 14 years, trust me, i know what i'm talking about
Yes I think we realized it's estrogen that is causing the issue, not prolactin.
I'm sure but the OP didn't, i was just trying to help.
Because if so, you are basically saying that the article J posted in regards to symptoms is inaccurate.
I haven't read the article but i'm pretty sure ( J seems like an intelligent guy) he wouldn't have said that lump type gyno was caused by prolactin.
so mosaic just to clear this up you are saying that prolactin CANNOT cause a lump
read my article I linked, I listed symptoms of high prolactin.
thanks bro i dont have any of those symptoms even after dosing the letro for a week i still have my libido. As you said thtas prob bec it takes a while to stabilize in your system. I think I will stick with the letro, taper off and follow it up with a couple weeks of nolva to prevent estro rebound. sounda about right?
Yes, that would be the best course of action.
my nipples are not sensitive at all either, just a small (non-tender) lump about the size of a pea under left one.
Sounds like estrogen based gyno man. Pea sized lump is a dead giveaway. Plus you mentioned you still have libido after dosing letro for a week.
That either means
A. Your estrogen was so high that the letro still hasn't brought it completely down enough to rob your libido yet.
B. Your letro is bunk.
I'd say give the letro another week to find out. It takes 2-6 weeks for letro levels to peak after continued dosing (like mosaic mentioned below) so you should know by then. I also agree nolva should be included to prevent any rebound and prevent your gyno from getting worse.
cool i really appreciate the help. if the letro doesnt work in a few weeks you think i should just taper off and dose nolva for a few weeks? i have heard people say nolva doesnt get rid of gyno just stops estro from occurring. but i have had gyno on cycle started dosing nolva and wala! So im wondering what you guys think. I dont want to have to buy more letro and nolva if this shit is bunk
There is no such thing as prolactin gyno, that is a medical fact.
Letro takes anywhere from 3-6wks to reach peak serum levels according to all medical science publications.
Stick with the letro now you have started, but you need to be patient, give it around 6wks, if you can;t handle the unwanted sides then drop it and switch to nolva, it has an 80% success rate in reducing/eradicating lump type gyno.
I found a couple references to prolactin and gyno. I'd like to know your view on them:
journals.lww.com/jcge/Abstract/1997/03000/Gynecomastia_with_Metoclopramide_Use_in_Pediatric.6.aspx
"Gynecomastia and galactorrhea stemming from hyperprolactinemia have been reported in adults after the use of metoclopramide. We describe the cases of an adolescent with gynecomastia and an infant with gynecomastia and galactorrhea that were the result of metoclopramide therapy for gastroesophageal reflux disease."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22472310
"Abstract
Hyperprolactinaemia is a common side effect of antipsychotics; markedly raised levels are less common. Higher levels of prolactin result from longer exposure to higher doses, especially with older antipsychotics or with risperidone, sulpiride or amisulpride. Galactorrhoea, gynaecomastia, menstrual abnormalities and sexual dysfunction including hypogonadism and fertility problems are consequences of raised prolactin, and in the longer-term bone demineralisation. Younger patients may be more susceptible to hyperprolactinaemia. Trial reports often fail to state the frequency of raised levels."
www.ccjm.org/content/71/6/511.full.pdf
"Hyperprolactinemia is not believed to play a direct role in gynecomastia, although prolactin receptors have recently been demonstrated in gynecomastia tissue.8 Most patients with gynecomastia have normal serum prolactin levels.9 Moreover, not all patients with hyperprolactinemia have gynecomastia. Elevated prolactin levels may, however, suppress gonadotropin release, producing secondary hypogonadism, which then contributes to the development of gynecomastia."
good advice +1
nice to have experts in the subject to help out here at eroids =) please keep posting, your advice is solid