PCT Help Please for First Cycle
I am starting my first cycle (Test-E & Dbol) and I am planning on pinning twice a week (Monday & Thursday) with 250 mg Test-E each day for 12 weeks along with using cycle assist and Aromasin. I am planning on taking 50 mg Dbol daily (25 mg in morning and 25 mg before workout) for the first 5 weeks. I bought Nolvadex as my PCT. I was wondering when would be the most optimum time to start my PCT. I read on some forums that for Dbol you start PCT 24 hours after the last pill and for Test-E you start about 2 weeks after the last pin. Is that accurate? What would be the most optimum time to start PCT? Also being that it is my first cycle, any advice would be much appreciated. I'm 23, 5'5, and weigh about 145 lbs. I have roughly around 10% body fat. Thanks!
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You've only been at this for a year and a half, you definitely have more gains to make the natty way.
I hope you postpone this for a couple more years.
since you just bought a gun and are severely depressed. ahh fuck it, here, have some bullets
Your problem is nutrition. You're way too young to be considering AAS usage. My recommendation would be to scrap the idea for about three or four years and focus on your nutrition. Get yourself into the 185 range and then you can consider starting a cycle........... and yes you can do it naturally.
Wait.. wouldn't 185 lbs be a little overweight for a 5'5 male? and I do know that I can do it naturally (which I have been doing for about the last 1.5 years.. I went from 116 to 145) but I wanted to try this out since I know some people who have done it in the past and have had major gains. Thanks for the response though
I guess it would depend if you're fat...... but you can easily be sub 15% and 185 at your height.
SwoleStanhopeFirst, 23yrs old is a little too young to start, and you can make gains just by EATING and working out consistently, BUT if you are dead set on using, then it is what it is. For a new user, you really only need to use a long acting test for your first cycle. You will get awesome results. The idea of "stacking" is to add to make your cycle stronger, after you are no longer getting awesome results from what you were previously using. Adding Dbol now isn't going to make a big difference in your gains but it will introduce a higher potential for side effects that you need to deal with. PCT would start 2 weeks AFTER your last pin of Test. Good thing you are asking about PCT, because the truth is, there are some guys out there that never have done a PCT. Furthermore, back in the day, some of the drugs we have now didn't exist and guys never did PCT. I wouldn't say that means no one should. In fact, I would suggest you do. The main purpose of PCT is to get your body back online as fast as possible, producing natural test and preserving the gains you made on cycle. The way I see it, we work so hard for our gains, why not do everything we can to keep the muscle we've developed. I don't think that PCT has to be complex and I don't believe that taking more PCT drugs will necessarily make you recover any better or any faster, than taking a simple straight forward PCT. Using HCG on cycle at a low dose is one thing that can really make a difference in recovery speed, IMO. Then taking a little clomid or nolvadex for a few wks can help get you back to normal faster. You don't have to go crazy with the SERMs and you don't need to stack them in complex ways.
since you are hard set on giving this 23 gear old cycle advice why dont you lay out a PCT for him instead of the half assed one you just did?
Thanks so much for the advice! I really appreciate it. I have been reading up a lot on this stuff over the past few months and finally made the decision to try it out after considering all of the risks/benefits. For the PCT, I was planning on running Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 as the sticky suggested. I wish I had bought HCG though. I wasn't sure on how big of an impact it would make so I ultimately had decided not to purchase it. One more quick question.. I bought 25 mg Aromasin and I was wondering how I should take it. Would you recommend taking one pill daily throughout the cycle?
Drop the dbol.. run the test only cycle for 12 weeks to see how your body responds... At your age all you should need is Clomid and Nolva PCT to restart your system... search the standard dosages...HCG might be overkill imo... Get labs pre/mid/post cycle... that's more important then buying any additional products..
My last cycle (12th) was a 16 week sust/eq cycle & nolva/clomid alone allowed me too bounce back to 645 total test/12.9 free test.. and I'm 36...
Thanks!
SwoleStanhopeOrder some HCG and postpone the cycle until it arrives. Whats the rush? Its a good idea to have EVERYTHING you need beforehand prior to starting. With AI's bloodwork is the only true way to gauge how much AI you need, but I would start off wit 6.25mg Aromasin everyday and adjust it from there, lowest dose possible because you dont want to totally crash your estro levels. Normally on Test only, you would wait until week 5 to start taking the AI, but since you are set on taking Dbol (which I dont recommend) take the Aromasin starting day 1 because Dbol aromatizes and converts QUICK and HARD. Its notorious for gyno.
explain why hcg should be so important for his cycle?
Don't get me started on the hCG.
The question was not for you
We both know that individual results vary and hcg is not part of EVERY pct or cycle. I'm rather curious.
SwoleStanhopeNo stats, No service bro. Your first move would be to fill out your stats so we have an idea of what we are working with, and more members would be willing to help you out.
Oh my bad.. I'll get on that right now. Thanks for letting me know
Edit: Added Stats on my profile