Numbers after pct? Failed
Hey,
I am 31 years old, 6'3, 230 and a competitive powerlifter have been using gear since 2014. I have not always used gear responsibly (blasted and cruised for approximately one and a half years in the past).
I just ran a 16 week cycle of deca, test and eq.
I cut the deca and eq at 14 weeks. I waited two weeks after my last pin of test-e to start pct.
I ran a 4 week "perfect pct" (nolva, clomid, cardarine, mk677 and aromasin).
I got my blood tested with one day of pct left and the results were :
373 test
0.2 lh
0.5 fsh
I got a test done yesterday which is two weeks post pct and the results were:
377 test
0.1 lh
0.4 fsh.
Am I screwed? Should I rerun pct or wait it out? Are my chances of having kids non-existent?
I currently have zero libido but my strength is actually going up.
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JayD718I think that you're forgetting one of most effective, and most important ancillaries to take during PCT, and that's HCG! Even taking HCG during your entire cycle, and during PCT, would be a very good option for you to consider.
Even if you just used the HCG during your PCT, along with the Clomiphene, nolva, etc., that would really give your body the boost in LH, and gonadatropins, that your body would really need at the time, and therefore raising your body's testosterone to a good post-cycle level.
And, if you used HCG during your entire cycle, it would keep your testosterone levels from falling in the first place, so you wouldn't have to worry about your testosterone crashing, and loosing your gains, and not to mention all the feelings and changes you're currently going through now.
I don't think that you are totally screwed, and I think you can still have children. Trust me, I was in a worse position than you are in right now. Granted, maybe not right now, or for the next eight months to a year or so. If that's a true concern for you at this time, you should really make an appointment with an endocrinologist.
In the meantime, I would immediately get on some HCG, and even some Clomiphene for a few weeks. A good starting dose of HCG would be 200iu, M-W-F. And, as for the Clomiphene, you can take 75 to 100mg for the first week, and then go down to 50mg for an additional 2 or 3 weeks.
This should definitely have you feeling better, and have your numbers looking a lot better! Then, just take it from there. But again, if having kids is something that is in your "near-future plans", you shoud make an appointment with an endocrinologist.
Also, remember that bringing your testosterone, FSH, SHBG, LH, and other numbers back to within normal ranges, can be something that can take up to a year. Remember, you just came off of a lot of shit, that you were running for 4 months. That's long bro! And, truthfully, your testosterone level is low, but it could be a lot lower. Your last test level is actually still in the low-normal range! Maybe not optimal, but still low-normal.
So, good luck with everything, and keep your head up!
My test level was 43 at one point, and I have a fulfilling life right now, in all areas, and I have two beautiful children!
I agree bro..Hcg is an important part of my pct plan always... gives you that extra boost the boys need
If all else fails check out triptorelin it can jumpstart the pituitary
Gonna try to help you. It's complicated but I'm gonna keep it short and sweet
1. No your not screwed
2. Yes you could still have children
3. Without prior testosterone levels we don't know some critical things
4. A copy and paste 4 week pct after the run you have been on isn't really gonna optimize levels
5. 377 isn't a failure. It reality from blasting for years. You may never see 400 again just don t know
6. I recommend getting hcg and start using it biweekly for 1 more month. Or Clomid for 1 more month at 50mg a day.
7. You need time off period. Then recheck levels in 3 months or so.
8. Your pct wasn't fake or your test would be much lower
Thanks. What do you think is with my fsh/lh? Think I need time?
Yeah you need time off. You can't take meds to fix these. Time will do this. Give your body a break. These numbers can be improved. Your gonna be okay. This what I would tell a friend
RustyhookerNot supposed to test while on pct.
However....if your pct was working your lh and fsh should be high. So somethings very goofy here.
Somehow you have test. Was it pharma?
PCT meds are bunk. LH/FSH should be through the roof if bloods still taken while on those meds. PCT failed because of that. Need to do another entire PCT with pharma meds.
Yeah I'm very confused. Someone told me deca reads as test on a blood test but it's been over 40 weeks since my last shot of deca.
It was from an underground lab.
Get yourself some pharma grade PCT meds and run another PCT.
Technically speaking, your levels are within “normal” range but on the low end, aside from your fsh and lh, which as rusty said, is weird.
NEVER leave your PCT to the whims of UGL.
The pct meds came from a well reviewed research lab.
Why would I have test if my pct meds were bunk? Shouldn't my test be pretty much zero?
Why are my fh and lh low but I have in range test? What could cause such an abnormal reading?
PCT is an aid in recovery, it doesn’t mean that you don’t recover naturally. PCT is used to expedite the process and to attempt to recover fully.
What were your levels before the cycle, how does this panel compare to the pre cycle blood work?
What is your prolactin reading looking like?
Also... how has it been 40 weeks since your last deca pin, something is off with your math.
Never, NEVER rely on research chemicals for pct. Get some real pharma meds and run again.
Okay. Why though do I have in range test with low lh/fsh?
RustyhookerPurely speculation.....pct was trash. You body is trying to recover but still weak and subpar. Your body CAN recover from cycle without pct
But you could be looking at up to a year.
Also, without seeing estro and prolactin....we still can only guess. If prolactin or estro is high the pct will not reboot your system.
Groups...blood group....lotta info.
So order real pharma. Hcg, ai, clomid, nolva. Need to power pct as described in basskiller.com. reboot. But not seeing the full report the rest is guessing
I'm not an endocrinologist. Perhaps you should seek one out and have your question answered.