Estrogen explosion? In HELL, need advice
I'm having an extraordinarily rough time and need advice. I am in an immense amount of pain and literally about to the end of my rope. I've done this cycle a couple times before with out this problem. I really need advice and help.
I started a low dose prop/anavar cycle with hcg a couple months ago. 50 mg prop 3x week 40mg var weeks 1-4. I was going to add tbol weeks 8-12 but scrapped that idea for reasons I will explain below. I chose such a low dose of prop because I am not lean by any means and it's just to support the var as var works wonders on my back pain. Also was taking adex .25mg with every pin.
The problem started about week 8 when something unexpected happened and I had to go 7 days without prop. Had I know it was going to be that long I would have just immediately went to pct but other than a little fatigue I didn't feel that bad on day 7 so I resumed pinning. Well pretty soon I started experiencing nipple sensitivity and extreme breast pain (no lumps). I upped my dex dose to .25mg everyday and added 900mgs b6 daily in case it was a prolactin Spike. Then the breast pain got worse and now I'm rapidly accumulating unsightly soft fat on my pecs as well as fat in my armpits and my nipples are migrating towards my armpits reminiscent of Tank Abbott or Ric flair. The pain is so bad I am experiencing panic attacks minutely because I know everyday when I wake up it's going to look even worse. I added 40 mg nolva daily, upped dex to 1 mg daily, and added 1 mg prami but nothing has slowed it down. I'm starting to wonder if all three of those are bunk because nothing is helping the pain.
Should i just start PCT now or get bloods first? I want to start pct now but something is screwed up severely and don't want to make it worse. Also, should i run dex through pct or switch to aromasin? Normally I don't run either and it's fine but Im in absolute hell. Any actual advice is appreciated or if there's another forum that you think would be more helpful let me know please.
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The pain worries me. No harm getting checked, prob gyno reacting, but I'd recommend a check.
Panic... psychological reaction, get your shit together.
Fat armpits means you were fat before, started test and ai kept estrogen too low BUT low enough to shed water + some fat, and u liked the look. BUT that's not sustainable fat loss, hence the freaky return. Happens to me if I miss trt or lower dose too much.
I think you should clear system, deal with reality and get your base habits sorted - healthy eating and sustainable training.
Panic... mind your head.
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Got my Bloods back and I am a little perplexed.
Test 800
E2 23 (low end of normal)
Prolactin 1.6 really low (2.0-18)
FSH LH also low
So I don't think my adex is bunk as it almost crashed my estrogen. The prami seems to have overdone its job lowering prolactin, I'm titrating off of it ASAP. I'm going to up my HCG dose. I tested the vial when I got it and it showed positive, however they did not ship it with a cold pack so I'm afraid it was diminished significantly from summer temperatures.
So if it wasn't high estrogen or prolactin what else could cause extreme breast pain, nipple pain, and fat accumilation? Any advice on other tests to run? Progesterone?
I want to start pct by the end of the month if possible.
Blood test essential asap. Guesswork has the potential to make things worse. Sounds like you’ve had enough of a shit time already.
jeez that's scary man. Absolutely go get bloods, otherwise you're fighting something that doesn't even have to be the reason for your current feel. Prolactin spike sounds unlikely to me with given substances and dosages. Also your "cycle" is kinda wild with all these "adjustments" and not very logical swaps. Get bloods and see the doctor. Get well man.
How much hcg are you taking per week?
350 hcg week but I ran out for weeks but back on
First I would go get a panel for prolactin and e2 and see which is reacting before I went bonkers on fighting what you don't know. I myself have done what I thought was high e2 and turned it into the biggest nightmare of my life tanking my e2 because it was actually prolactin related.
Secondly, not advocating sources but you can go straight to the doctor with results of either high e2 or prolactin or even a phone clinic and get, caber, exemestane or Adex from the local pharmacy, no worries about potency or whether it's real or not or wait on a domestic source. Last round of legit caber from pharmacy was 120 for 3 bottles.. so it's not going to break the bank either. This is a long game not a race. Prop is my go to but can be spikey in the levels if not regimented. The ups and downs can cause your body to go in and out of panic mode from the peaks and valleys.
Recommendation:
1) blood test, opinions are great but not factual
2) if you can't stick with an eod schedule on prop you may need to go to cyp or a sust with cyp to help carry the peaks a little further.
3) at this point seems a fix is the most important, quit guessing and buying stuff to solve a problem you haven't found yet. Good luck and I hope you start to feel better.
Sounds like your Adex is bunk. It should have shut it down after a few days. GoTo US domestic sources, and the top source will get you some real adex within a few days.
Also, 8 weeks of Anavar is just too long. You should never go over 6 weeks. Not saying that’s the cause of the high estrogen, but could definitely be the cause of other ailments you may not even know you have yet
Yeah I think the dex may be bunk or expired. Normally I can feel it working but not this time. I crashed my estrogen once, down to 19, and that depression sucked but it's nowhere near this.
Also the anavar was only 4 weeks. I was going to take a 4 week break and then try Tbol because I never have. Thanks for the reply