posted Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:26
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Clomid and Triptorelin
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Hard to find much info on Trip besides to take one dose and then 20/20/20/20 of Nolva. I have clomid and nolva for my pct and would like to take trip but curious what people think about clomid with trip being over kill
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Ok I will drop those too. I took the Trip 7-10 days ago. So I will give it a few more days and see how I feel. I'm trying to schedule bloodwork for end of march or first of April
Wat were your results?
What a tribulus? It's known to send signals for testosterone production too. I take 3000mg a day. Should I drop Tribulus too?
dont take anything accept your PCT. nothing else accept the nolva and trip, if you dont feel youre recovering, it may take a week or two before you know, than go back to the clomid and nolva, but dont do anymore HCG or trip. go easy on trying to restore, you can do more bad than good if you over do it.
Hey Wagner I sent a FR. Things are going south quick
Also I've read research that the half life of trip is 2-8 hours. I understand that the effects might be longer but I don't see how with a half life so short that adding clomid would over stimulate bc the trip has already done its initial "jump start" on the pituitary. I may be missing something tho. I would like to hear more of your thoughts.
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^ #this dude always spams about clomid
not what we about guy; try to leave good valid info or know how buddy don't push stuff in this part of the forum!
did you read this thread? no clomid with triptorelin!!!
the half life is short and the biomechanics of how they operate arent very different but, one is chemical and the other is a naturally occuring substance, hence why one will do fsh and lh release. both are to actively stimulate the pituitary, although, triptorelin does it more efficiently and at a more natural state. thus adding clomid can and based what ive read will cause over stimulation. u may feel good now but continuing may lead to LH issues, if you over stimualte pituitary and LH release the body becomes desensitized to it, and it has little or no effect on leydig cells making test. thus SHUT DOWN FOREVER lol i willadmit there isnt a lot of studies to support or go against this idea, but based on my limited knowledge of the subject it makes a lot of sense to me to just be safe and avoid the potential shut down for life
Ok I see your point and it does make sense. Just another thought that ran through my mind about it, clomid and trip both send signals for natural production of testosterone. I guess since I consider them both natural then I don't see the risk. Another thing I've read is people having debilitating testicle pain while using both Trip and Clomid and I haven't had the slightest bit of pain. I know not everyone will respond the same but I'm coming off a long and harsh cycle so I'm assuming since I was in a total shutdown for a length of time that it would take more and stronger stimulation for my pituitary.
Those were just my thoughts. I will drop the clomid today and see what happens. With trip being so new I just worry that I got an under dosed vial and if thats the case then nolva would be the only compound for my pct and to me thats not enough. better safe then sorry thoIf my recovery starts to decline I will let you know. Thanks for your Information, u seem to know more than most about it
Well I already took the trip and been doing clomid so you are saying stop the clomid now and stay with nolva? Like I said these last few days I've been feeling really good. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying why stop if I'm seeing positive results.
Thanks for the input, just a little too late. I ended up blasting HCG 500iu eod (too low I think) and did a clomid/nolva 100/100/100/50 50/50/25/20.
Was feeling horrible and didn't notice a recovery; I have been on a long on/off cycle so I've been shutdown for awhile. I've probably screwed myself from ever recovering.
Anyway I decided that I didn't have anything to lose and took a shot of trip and started another 4 week clomid/nolva at same dosages. I really wanted that clomid in cycle to keep kicking my pituitary. I'm 5 weeks into my pct and the last 3 days I have felt really good. Positive attitude, no anxiety, felt some libido bc I was sexting my wife a lot.
I'm still not sure if I will ever fully recover. I just turned 25 so I'm still young and have a chance I think but it's up to God. I can't really say what I can contribute the sense of well being to. I'm sure the trip helped (top source) and maybe the extended clomid helped too. I didn't get labs done before to know for sure. My plan right now is to keep on with the clomid/nolva for 3 more weeks. I'm DEBATING trying another HCG blast but I don't want to overstimulate anything. So it's a waiting game.
dont run the clomid with the trip. you may overstimulate the pituitary and effect you lh, do not do any more HCG if youre doing the triptorelin also. if you over stimulate the pituitary u can basically end up setting yourself up to make LH or desensitizing yourself to the LH and not being about to make test. as lh signal the leydig cells to produce the test, to much lh can cause shut down or desensitization. i did another thread on triptorelin and it explains this stuff in it
okay phew, here it goes, clomid is not needed, nolva will keep your estro at bay while the gnrh does its trick and gets the testes producing again. the purpose of clomid sends that little signal to stimualte the pituitary and release LH which stimualtes leydig cells to make test again and estrogen tells the body to not make LH so thats why you need nolva to control the estro, the triptorelins action are similar accept is releases fsh also, triptorelin has a more biologial effect than clomid in its response so it should work more effectively and faster. i am preparing to do this same PCT, i will do it with blood tests to verify the results. but the primary thing is if you do clomid and trip at the same time there is a little concern for over stimiulating the pituitary and having some negative effects on LH production, although there isnt much to verify this, i feel its probably pretty solid based on what each drug does. so long of short, nolva and trip only
No thoughts?
eryximachusFinding info on Triptorelin is difficult. There seem to be a lot of promising reports, but it's hard to tell.
I tend to think a primary reason for this is the rarity of the substance. I would imagine most of the gray market labs are selling bunk product. I personally have had terrible luck with even top rated peptide sources for simple things, this I imagine is beyond their ability.
The other problem is that triptorelin is not yet approved for fertility treatment in the US, thus only a high dose depot version is readily available. And that will shut you down harder than anything. Triptorelin acetate is available in Europe for fertility treatments, and I'm attempting to procure a source in the states. I'm in NYC, and there are a couple specialty pharmacies I'm working on. Got a doctor friend who will write the script.
i just kicked my man (mwagner630) off here to come on for a bit, hes been reading a lot on this, he is convinced its the way to go. he found a source that has triptorelin acetate, which i guess he says is what you want, and its on the top peptide source. hes confident he has this figured out and im confident he is right.
he just found someone tonight who has done it, he did it and had labs done i guess he waiting for the labs in an email before he is 100% on it
eryximachusWell, get him to post the labs!
FR sent.