posted Sun, 02/02/2014 - 20:11
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Beginning pct based on doses
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Pretty interesting article I came across on when you should actually begin pct. basically it's saying pct is dose dependent on when you should begin
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/24947-pct-cl...
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Check out this tool for graphing Test levels.
http://steroidplot.com/
It confirms that it is about 16 or 17 days to drop to near zero, no matter how many MG,s per dose I run through the calculator.
Dose does not seem to change the timeline much.
ZewiAnabolXCorrect.. there reason you start pct at day 14 is because it takes 3 days for both clomid and novadex to reach the max blood plasma levels you need.. so by day 16/17... Novadex and clomid are in full gear
I'm a noob, and about a week from starting my first PCT. I've been reading everything I can find on the subject.
According to the guy who put together the PCT calculator, the dosage does matter. He charts the bodys Test levels in MG ( i'm not sure what he's measuring).
If you finished a cycle with 2000 mg of test, at the 7 day half life you would be a 1000, then at 500 at day 14, 250mg at day 21. He suggests starting PCT when the levels get down to 100mg, what he compares to a natural level.
Here is a quote from his site.
Why does it tell me to start my PCT so late?
That is a good question as I wondered this the very first time I calculated one of my cycles. The build-up of exogenous(injected) testosterone causes a back-log of testosterone waiting to be de-esterified. The more you increase your dosage and/or dosing frequency, the longer it is going to take for the testosterone to clear your system.
Most people start their PCT too early and wonder why they feel like complete shit after finishing their PCT. It is because they began their PCT when they were still suppressed, possibly even finishing PCT while there was still exogenous testosterone suppressing natural production.
This is why you should stop any long esters by about 30 days before the end of your desired cycle length. You should then replace them with a short ester such as propionate so that you can gradually lower your testosterone levels down. Upon total discontinuation of injections, you can begin PCT in a relatively short timespan, as opposed to waiting several weeks had you not tapered with a short ester.
Why does it recommend starting PCT when esterfied levels hit 100mg?
It was determined from Table 2 of Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men that 100mg results in a negligible change from base testosterone levels in men. So when esterified levels dropped below this point, endogenous testosterone production would resume.
Here is a link to the calculator. http://pct.befit4free.net/
It seems to make since that a person that did 1000mg a week of Test e would take longer than a person on 500mg a week to get down to a natural level of test.
ZewiAnabolXOk.. god stuff and I total belive in tapers..
But let's break it down even more..
Let's look how test works... Test works by binding to your receptors when being used.. and if not being used it converts to DHT and Estro...
So test e has a half life of 14 days.. if I take a shot on Monday that test e is going to break down to almost zero in 14 days...
Now let's talk about a dose... Let's take 500mg if I take 500mg on Monday it won't increase my blood plasma levels to 500mg unless I keep taking it so I keep taking it and now my blood plasma level is 500 mg why cause I'm taking it on a regulary doses too keep my blood level stable...
Now if its 500mg on Monday my last shot and the shot before that was Thursday.. that means buy Thursday the following week I don't take a shot well your test will drop and by Monday it will drip again and so on...
But let's understand blood plasma why do you need to keep taking shots.... Because your blood constantly cleans it self, your body does that to foreign objects..
A half life is a half life.. the test will be used one way another if you have 250mg or 2000mg the body uses it.. once you stop its over your body cannot change the half life..
Best example I can give to really understand is this... Water you drink the fuck out of it you body uses what it can and than it is flushed out when you pee, than you have too drink more water if you don't guess what happens in 7 days you die.. why because that's the half life of water in you body.. it is how H20 works in your body.
Test or any compound is the same... That's why it has a half life.. its active that long.. but your blood plasma is cleaning always.. that's why its so important to not miss a shot.
Again if test is not being used by receptors it will be converted, and the natural body of plasma clense takes the rest..
So another thing we can understand is frontloading why do we frontload to get our blood plasma to a much higher faster, cause if you give yourself 1000mg of test it will spike your blood plasma, so when you take 500 mg the next week your blood levels are closer to that 500.. but if you don't take anything down it goes...
The body is a weird thing...
That's why blood test are so important.. how oftern to we see in just 14 days a blood score come back for test at 300 with high estro... Reason is the body will get rid of it or use it..
Ok Zewi, I think I'm getting it.
I'm a little confused by your use of the word half life, and the span of 14 days.
I've seen lots of references state that test E has a half life of 7 days, and that by day 14 your levels would drop to half of a half, or a 1/4 of the starting level.
I'll keep on reading up, and see if it all starts to make since.
Thanks for posting.
ZewiAnabolXOk now I see.. in a way your right.. but its 7 and 14 makes it zero... Meaning back to your basline regardless of how much test you have..
You got to look at it the other way..
You start taking test at 500 well its not 500 yet... Cause you have too keep taking it every few days so you get the over lapping while one it... But when you end you ending with the last shot.. there is no over lap so everything just goes down by the time 14 days hits after your last shot.. your only on that shot your blood levels have already gone down
Got it. I'm one week since my last shot.... so next week will be interesting!
ZewiAnabolXWell if you need anything send me a PM
Thanks, and this was a very informative discussion for me.
ZewiAnabolXOk i read the post and i must say, ther are a few good things which are what clomid is, but the rest he is reaching big time.... He is forgetting so many things.. Just like anything you have to build blood plasma levels at heir highest point.. Example take test e if you give yourself 500mg of test e a week it will take 4 weeks for you blood levels to be that high and constant.
Also every Compound has a different half--half (it doesn't not change because you took it for a long period of time or a short period of time) you start your PCT based on the half life of the Compound Test E is about 14 days.. so we start PCT with clomid right at 14 days, and it still takes 3 more days before you blood plasma reaches the highest point for Clomid.
Now on to his point where he says its dose dependent for when you take Clomid.. Now this is very hard to take in.. So he is saying that if i take i higher does.. lets say 600mg to some one that takes 400mg--welll i should start clomid at a different time???
So he is saying that the body at higher doses will allow for a longer half-life of the compound. Sorry that is not so, cant wont and is not possible. The body will use it one way or another. The compound has a half-life for a reason. Cause that's how long it last, given yourself more doesn't change that.
Damn nice right up there z! I definitely agree with ya though on this and makes perfect sense
I've seen some of those online PCT calculators that give similar timelines to this guys advice. Most of which were longer than the standard 2 weeks after last pin/
I think that's why it would also be good to use a prop taper at the end so there's not as much in your system
ZewiAnabolXI agree a Taper is important.