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Winny Deca and joints

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Pretty simple question; will A low dose of Deca counteract winnys negative effect on joints? I’m not too sure if it works like that. Any input is appreciated thanks also will 150mg a week do the trick or more/less?

Makwa's picture

Deca never helped my joints no matter what I dose I took.. Maybe I am just to old now but I don't think deca is all it is cracked up to be when people talk about it helping joint pain. Thinking a big part of it is just placebo.

giardap's picture

Deca, does not, in any way shape or form.... whatsoever... have any joint protective action. Period.

However, what it does is this; it beats test to the point of activating androgen receptors, leaving excess test to be converted to estrogen, which in turn causes an element of water retention which 'lubricates joints' and masks the damage you are still doing to your body.

You didn't mention test, so without it, your estrogen will be shot before long. No estrogen excess, no extended joint destruction... I mean... 'joint protection'.

Clayton8902's picture

I never understood running deca with an extremely long half life to counter joint pain sides of winstrol. You're running winny what 4-6 weeks? Unless youre running it at the ladder end of your cycle its pointless to throw deca in the mix. If you are wanting to run winny suck it up buttercup or plan a deca/test cycle and cut up with winny towards the end of your run.

Theres far too mamy variables for me to say use deca. I say this because idk if you're on trt or if youve experiened pct from deca and its longer recovery. Its up to ypu just be safe and if anything hit npp for a shorter ester.

ashop's picture

I know many guys who will run 200mg Wk of DECA to help ease joint issues.

TheFlash85's picture

The answer is cytokines.

Anti inflammatory and
Pro inflammatory

DECA increases the anti inflammatory ones.
That's why it relieves and masks pain.
They gather around any affected areas, it also carries water retention therefore cushioning joints.

Winny and DECA together is shit anyway.
A lot of ppl are doing Winnie with a dht lately, even anadrol ( not recommending) just stating.

BigThing's picture

There is no straight answer here. it depends on many factors such as how fucked up are your joints, how your body responds to these compounds and your training. If you struggle with the joint pain even before winny, then just stay away from it, because no amount of Deca will make it go away. If your strength will increase significantly in short period of time and you will go as heavy as you can with poor technique - Deca will not help you either. It countereffects the joint pain to some degree, but if you experience joint pain, just stay away from winny.

yeegits's picture

Test is fine with Winny, as test Aromatises and will aid with the fluid retention that is lost with winny, you don’t need deca, I take glucosamine and turmeric with it too , never had a issue with joint pain

vhman's picture

Why are you using winny? Adding another, very strong aas, just to midigate the effects of winny doesn’t seem like the best plan. Unless you’re 100% set on winny, I’d find something else that doesn’t require deca to help out the bad sides of winny.

lp2482's picture

It’s really just for a future cycle haven’t really laid it out yetjuwt generally asking if the two coumpunds would act like that

PPGfreak's picture

I wouldn’t call 150mg of Nandrolone low, that’s enough to put size on you.

My friend swears by 25mg eod works for him.

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stairmaster's picture

NPP can help to reduce joint problems but all guys I know including me had joint issues despite NPP.
NPP reduces the issues but do not prevent them entirely.

herpjunkie111's picture

I've saw threads on here with guys saying it does, though I'd think NPP might be a better option, shorter ester/faster acting. Gonna take deca a while to kick in.

Bruins77's picture

Holy smoke I wrote an essay only to see it didn’t get “saved” I guess my point was it will help, mask the symptoms, but only surgery will every truly eliviate the main issue. Take it from someone at the time was 30 told and told he had the knees of a 75 year old, deca sure helps with the pain and that liquid, fluid motion we are after, especially when bulked up 30-60#’s during a cycle. No you don’t have to be on cycle to gain pounds but build muscle and keep it is done through diet and training. Squatting 500-600#’s in my late teens while playing juniors up north sure helped my hockey career until I hit my 30’s, then the piper came calling. Man was it worth it! Long term deca can shut you down but if you’re in it for the long haul then you already know that by now. Oh yeah, longer ester deca will take longer to kick in however the effects will linger long after, well after last injection, NPP not so much. I guess it really depends on what your long term strategy is. Take care and train smart. Ass to the ground, deeeeep on the squats, racking plates, no freaking way smith machine, will get you the wheels most are after, but usully at a price. Size 31 waist with quads tearing through your jeans, before skinny jeans were in, Christ were they ever in? Lol. Anyway the lifestyle sure is fun and presents it’s own challenges don’t they?! But beach season co
Es and popping off the shirt while your buddies and their dad bodies are wearing shirts in the ocean.....need I say more. For whatever reason we do what we do, training smart, hard, sure helps with the pin we all feel as we get a bit older, wiser sure, older without question lol

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