posted Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:01
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I am running a 15week cycle of test 450mg week and deca 400mg first 6 weeks 50mg of dbol a day. I still have some fat to shed and have some winnie. Anyone see an issue running winnie the last 6weeks without cleaning out my liver. I have a great diet and drink tons of water. My cleanse wont be here in time to use.
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still have some fat to shed? manipulate your diet and training then buddy.
Thanks it's going well.
RustyhookerAs im reading this, op says he's had many priors but not knowing anything about anything. Hmmm. No thoughts about nor conversion? HMMM. How to know?
Ok, I see u finally posted history below. W 900mgs of test,400mg deca, and 50mgs dbol. Forget about the winnie. U either r n a calorie deficit or a surplus? U can't do both.
Personally, I'd take a hard look at my diet. Drop all of the compounds except test. Get that bf down to at least 10. Train hard, eat clean and take pct.
Thanks I will keep at it. The winnie won't be used bad idea.
Cool. U would basically flushing it down toilet and harming your liver as well. No real benefit at all. Keep it simple 4 now.
I appreciate it. I worked to much and drank to much for a bit. Got sick of myself and got back what made me feel good. Got back in the gym 100%. After I flattened out I started this cycle I have gained mass and strength but with dbol and deca I carried a lot of water. I'm glad I posted it because you guys helped me a ton. I deserved the shit I got from it lol. I will stick to the plan.
What is or was current cycle history? It's beyond me why u r trying to lean out and using Dbol # 1?
And #2 deca at 400mg? That's a bulking dose on both compounds.
The deca to test ratio is screwed up as well. This cycle is a train wreck, asking for problems. And that's just the TRUTH.
I know exactly what you should really do. But, I don't see no cycle history or anything. No help.
U say u have a great diet. R u n calorie deficit? U should be to get bf down. That's where I'd start 1st.
It is going down. I should of explained better. The dbol was for the bump at the start. The winnie will not be used. My test is at 450 x2 deca us 200 x2 a week. I went to bulk and get stronger and I had Winnie. This got off track.
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Another good eye thank you sir...
Yeah man, I agree w u totally. I can see where this is going lol.
Yep...i am not gonna be a catfish lookin for bait on a line...lol...
U need a liver supp if ur on any methylated oral, especially 50mg dbol daily. I know, u know this. Walmart has Milk Thistle 175mg and Liver Aid from LIVERITE. You could get those today if ur close to wally world.
Thats a weird way to run nandro decan...6 weeks?? :-/
No winstrol. Save it.
That's cool Walmart has it. I will pick up. I order some liv 52 not here yet so that will be sweet. Dbol is just for 6 weeks deca and test are for 15 weeks. No Winnie it is no need to waste gear.
Well then deca needs to be STOPPED at 13th week....
U SHOULD KNOW THIS....POST YOUR CYCLE HISTORY...
I have only ran deca with sust or omnidren with dbol for 10 or 12 weeks cycles before this. The dbol I had before was injectable. Since my mid 20s I have ran 1 or 2 cycles every year or 2 nothing consinstant always just a boost for summer or too get past a sticking point. This is the first cycle I have taken in a bit. I rushed into it since I felt ready and I had it on hand. I appreciate the advice and help. I will stop the deca the 13th week and follow the pct. Thanks bro
TronThrow in an hour of fasted cardio every morning on top of your work outs. What exactly is your diet ? You say it's "great" but that doesn't mean shit really..how great is it? If You aren't doing things right more drugs are just a waste of time and health..
I'm taking in around 250 grams of protien. Through shakes chicken fish steak etc. Eating around every 2 to 3 hrs. Carbs only come from some rice or potatoes with dinner or lunch and oatmeal for breakfast . Healthy greens asparagus broccoli etc. I don't have much I want to lose just get my stomach more cut up. Figured the Winnie would boost it
From my research using compounds to cuts is a waste unless you're close to 10% BF. The compounds are not what get you cut, the diet is my man. This game is 80% diet,
19.5% training, and .5% AAS. It's icing on the cake, not the base layer.
I am "leary" about OPs cycle history...we need to keep our eye on this thread and make sure we get all the info needed to help OP. Something doesnt smell right. OP is lacking in too many areas to have experience witth past cycles of 19-nors, bloods and other stuff he has mentioned. He is receptive. And thats good.
So true.
I will save it then. Run it when I get closers to 10% and run with tren not deca
U havent even posted any cycle history and here you are mentioning tren...lol...
U NEED TO CHANGE UR NAME TO BRAIN SWOLLEN....LOL
Haha maybe after this
Nah...it will probably be today.
Maybe so. I can't learn if I don't ask
You cant retain, if u dont research...write it down...study it..post it..that way we know you are gettin it...then. u can apply it...
Got it
Your test-deca ratio should be 2:1. What do you plan on using to combat prolactin? No mention of any AI.
@5' 11" 230lb I'm guessing your BF is around 20%.?
It is important im running supertest 450. I have Nolvadex for pCT or if any problem arises. I'm not quite that high but not sure on exact number. I did not want to bother until further along
You will also need clomid for PCT. This wont take care of prolactin if sides occur while on cycle. What is your PCT protocol?
How should I run the clomid with the Nolvadex same mgs?
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
PCT protocol
1-2 wk extension on back end of PCT. Same dose and frequency for both drugs. Good job, brother!!
Thanks madman. I have been out of the game for a bit. So happy to be back. I feel like a noob sometimes again. I forgot so many simple rules.
I figured 40 MG day for 3 weeks then 20MG a day for 2 weeks. So I should add clomid also? What do you recommend for ai
For an AI, Arimidex or Aromasin.
Use the search bar up top and look into them for dosage. You will need to get blood work done to see where your E2 is and adjust dosage from there.
And caber or prami since you're on Deca as well, for prolactin control.
The aftermath of a man that let life and work get in the way of training and being healthy. To many hrs and work and to many beers at home. Had to bury that in the back yard. You guys have been a huge help!!
Yes sir, I asked him what was he planning on using to combat prolactin just to see if he knew what is needed. Test question which I'm still waiting on a response, wanted to see if he's done his research.
My cycles have always been pretty mild. The old classic dbol deca and test. With a max cycle of 400 deca and 750 test. Older now I need to be smarter in all aspects of training. As you could tell I was a bit ingnorent on ai and I thought nova was enough. Imy getting mixed reviews on if I should always take a ai during a cycle or just if a problem arises.
I WONDER IF U HAVE CYCLED AT ALL??? HARSH COMPOUND STACKS IN THE PAST SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT THIS CYCLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME. THIS ALL LOOKS HAPHAZARDLY PUT TOGETHER AND DOESNT MAKE SENSE FOR A 37 YR OLD...
Read above. I like to avoid orals this is all I could get my hands on. This is why I'm asking questions and learning from people that know. Deca and test are mild the only harsh is the dbol
Deca is a 19-nor compound, it is much harsher than dbol, and more difficult to recover from post cycle.
My experience is only with deca and sustanon or omnidren running for 10 or 12 weeks. I never had to use ai. Clomid or nova always worked for me pct. I'm older now and have not used in a while I wanted to get back in shape first. Since my mid 20s I have only ran that cycle 1 or 2 cycles ever couple of yrs. I appreciate the help and I'm learning a lot I forgot and a lot I did not know. I can't be young and dumb about it anymore. Haha
There's plenty info on this board to learn from, I'm sure you'll notice that cycles have evolved for a large part, as have the safety protocols that go along with them.
My best advice to you to finish off this cycle is to forego the Winny, and then make sure to cut off the Deca two weeks prior to test. Then 2 weeks after your last test injection you are going to need to do your PCT.
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
That is the standard PCT, but you may want to run it an extra week or two on the tail end (MedDx would probably chime in with the best advice here on the dosages for those two additional weeks). Also consider using Aromasin during PCT to prevent rebound of estrogen, but it's entirely up to you. We just advocate safety first here.
A few weeks after your PCT you need to do blood work to make sure you've recovered, and if you don't have previous bloodwork to judge against, then it will be a gauge as to where you stand and how to proceed further based on your results.
Same dose and frequency...
If Aro is used:
12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25/3.12/none the last week..
I will do I have learned a lot. Bunch of solid guys. Safety is key all that we discussed is on its way. I jumped in getting pumped up about getting back into it before having everything on hand.
Fell asleep anastrozol. I did see that it can replace the clomid and Nolvadex. If I see any signs of gyno or during a heavy cycle .50 - 1mg every other day.