TRT base + Nandrolone and prolactin
Though the most popular method which gets pushed is a 2:1 test to deca ratio for cycling, I’ve always preferred low test and high nandrolone (90mg TE, 450 ND) for all my cycles. it accounts for increased aromatization rates and partial aromatization of nandrolone so no need for AI, and as of now I’ve had absolutely no issue with prolactin. Dick stays hard enough for three rounds, and no deleterious sides like gyno etc. Not to mention I feel absolutely fine, if not giddy and careless (to a reasonable degree). Now that this is all aside, I was wondering if anyone switched from the 2:1 ratio to something similar to my cycles. If you had any prolactin issues, were they resolved through this method? Or have I just not gone far enough off the deep end and exceeded my standard dose to raise prolactin enough?
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Im doing a 1 to 0.85 test cyp to NPP ratio. Im also doing GH. Im not blasting though. This is more of a long ass cycle (40 weeks). I ramp up everything 30% every 6 weeks. I introduced mast P halfway, 1:0.85:0.65 test:npp:mast P.
Im keeping my test just at 1500 ng/dL and my E2 around 50 pg/mL. I get around 370 for serum IGF1, which is a good enough indication for high tissue IGF1. The npp is there for joint support and a bit of fullness.
The mast P is there for a bit of drive and hardness.
For prolactin in the beginning I use bromantane 10mg twice a week Tue/Sat, alternating with tyrosine MWF, and P5P every day.
No AI needed. The last time I did this, I lost 2 pounds of muscle mass and 4 pounds of water weight in the following 3 months on nothing but HCG and GH, and my strength, fullness, and motivation obviously dipped a little. But I was still practicing jujitsu and kickboxing, and doing a lot of cardio and hitting weights.
When I started back up this year, i gained 8 pounds in 6 weeks on the baby doses I take.
You’re 23 and on TRT? Why? You shouldn’t be messing with any hormones for a couple more years.
grugliftingCause I have a masters in biochemistry, doing post grad research for a PhD, and plan to pursue endocrinology in medical school once my girlfriend graduates PA school. The consequences of what I do with my bodily autonomy is fully known to me and am doing it because I understand every facet of risk mitigation, and consequences which cannot be avoided. If you don’t have a helpful answer to my question you can say nothing at all.
@Greg, can you get this asswipe off of this forum please
You’re not old enough to be on this forum. You gotta be 25.
What seems like a great idea and a priority at 23 May not be at 30. I know, I been there and done that. I pretty much took the same path as you. You’re probably not going to listen to me because I didn’t listen to anyone when I was where you’re at. If I did it over I’d would have cycled, on and off, no cruise in between. With ample time off in between to let my natural production recover. Maybe 1 cycle a year. Then once I was done having kids then go TRT. I came off at 30 for 5 years to have some babies and man was it miserable. Zero sex drive the entire time. Plus all the other symptoms of 200ng/dl total test levels. It would have been nice to have normal test levels during that time. So that’s what you’re heading for shutting yourself down with no time off, and at a young age.
Did you need an epidural or was it relatively straight forward?
Epidural all day. Remember, I’m enhanced, not natty.
grugliftingThanks for the input. You’re right, I won’t listen, as from what I hear you cycled in the worst way possible, putting your HPTA and all other systems which rely on testosterone and its derivatives on an unstable roller coaster while neglecting proper recovery. I would’ve recommended FSH while you were trying to have kids, wouldn’t have had to go through those test levels or the grueling recovery process. I cannot stress this enough when I say I know what I’m doing, and plan to never make the three so far identifiable mistakes, and the multitude of others you’ve likely made along the way.
Youre clearly intelligent. Probably too smart for your own good. Thats gonna get ya into trouble.
Isnt one of your 3 identifiable mistakes cycling gear when you dont need it? Youre gonna have health problems and youll forget about any of the advice ppl have given you hear.
Man i always forget how douchey know it all 20 year olds are. Especially straight out of college 20 year olds who have some book knowledge and no actual experience with anything in life. It’s gonna be a brutal wake up call for this dude in a few years.
Yep. Stubborn and dont listen to old bucks.
Arrogant little fucker isn't he?
About to be a balding, oily pimply arrogant little fucker.
I was going to go off on the little fuck and I bet I could stomp his shit brain into the curb but I decided to get him banned instead.
mdgfl85You sure showed him! LoL pathetic.
I work with some guys that act like that. I'm pretty sure I acted the same way when I was 22. Pretty sure we ALL did. Being 40 is some bullshit.
In any event, I'd probably blow his mom's back out. Send pics of ur mom, kid.
Also I like how ur stewy icon just gets more and more jacked.
Blow out his moms back, and his girl friend. Dont half ass it bro.
mdgfl85You seem really insecure and sensitive. If words on the Internet trigger you then lower your dose or step away from the keyboard.
Send pics of your mom as well
Yeah that arrogant kid, we could train his mom.
Stewy is working out and using gear man, it's that DHB! LOL.
mdgfl85It's refreshing to see someone else knows how to run nandralone. Do you know what your SHBG, prolactin and progesterone levels were before starting this current cycle?
Only activity is on this post and he’s defending this douche bag > it’s the same guy. We’ve seen he makes multiple accounts.
@Greg @BFG
mdgfl85This is comical at this point, grown ass men acting like women. I'm sure Greg will know that I am not the user you guys petitioned to get banned.
grugliftingSHBG was moderate low at 23 nmol/L and same with progesterone at 0.4 ng/ml, I was concerned going into my first cycle with nandrolone as prolactin was around 15ng/dl, but as of now I haven’t had to pick up caber once. I’d imagine p-5-p’s given me a few degrees of leniency with my dosing, but I know those who haven’t been as lucky even with p-5-p in place. Though they all use the infamous ratio.