+ 7 Trend lately with extreme dosing
OK, I bring up this post because we seem to have a lot of new folks and old timers combined posting ridiculous amounts of gear they are pinning. Here is my question to some or all:
Has anyone really listened to their bodies and tried low dosing? For example I still see people posting using 600-1 gram a week of Equipose and saying that less does nothing for them....have you actually tried to use less? I bet you haven't.
Bodyweight. Since a lot of people are claiming the fatter you are the worse the sides from a cycle i.e estro related. So if we take that into consideration don;t you think the leaner you are the less you need to pin? I mean estro and test are related to each other so if the correlation is basic enough why so much? Is everyone the same? FUCK NO. What do you honestly have to lose by trying smaller doses? Do we not preach that this is a marathon and not a race? Will it truly hurt you to try going small and then adjusting your dose according to your diet and what you have gained? If the EBC does kick off I am entering and using some very conservative doses based on my body weight and diet to show what you can do on less.
I guess what I'm saying is I challenge some of you to try smaller dosing and do some dialing instead of cookie cutting and basing your doses to other people; you are not the same as the guy who has been lifting for 10 years or the guy who has a rock solid diet so why not think for yourself for a change? Comments are appreciated and lets keep this civil this is not a pissing match this is real life and not paper or bro science.
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i ran high dose of tren for a while but i feel better on 700 mg week now. hell i get night sweets again were at the dosage i dint . Far as test i like a gram maybe gram and half at low dose i wouldnt say its not effective but at this dosage i do my best, eq i run high and yes i feel the effects more that for sure .I be leave that we have to learn for ourselves then from there we make a choice for each person there goals is different so some will run different dosage . In the end we have to find out what works for us i see most people ran high doses and found what works for them .I wish you all the best on that journey .
+1 Good stuff... I ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE! I've decide to run a low dose cycle starting this May.. I'll post pics/labs/update when launched.. For my 13th cycle it's a simple 375 sust/150 test p per week... Nothing else..
I'm running a low dose cycle this time around too. 500 sust/400 Deca. Gonna see how I feel and how it goes and bust my ass in the gym. Should be fun!. Good luck with yours
sweet, diet on check and watch yourself fly!
this is actually a post I made last night in another thread when someone mentioned using more on a cycle. but seeing this thread this morning itll go good here too!
ive ran it low and high, very high. I can assure you that high dose test is not that great of a difference. kinda goes like this for me(my opinion and experience)
400mg/w =65%
500mg/w=75%
750mg/w=85%
1000mg/w=90%
1500mg/w=95%
2000mg/w=100%
the risks, sides, blood pressure, costs, stop being beneficial after 750mg/w. my current cycle I started 2 days ago im back down to 600mg/w. its the same principle in life with everything we do, go big and everything else has to go big too. Porsche=high mechanic costs... lift on truck=tires, suspension problems... 15inch subs=big amps, alternator, big tweeters....lots of property=high maintenance, higher mortgage/property tax....trophy wife=your bank account
2000 is the highest ive ran so it has to be the strongest. simple math tells you that the more you run the stronger itll be, however the difference as you go higher is minimal, and the return on investment drops drastically, sides and health issues increase drastically, saturation of receptors happened faster and stayed longer and my window of opportunity seemed much shorter. So going back to that simple math MORE is NOT BETTER
and it should also be taken into consideration that the individual running the compounds sensitivity will change over the a peroid of time used. so first run 500mg he runs may get a much higher number then I feel after many many runs.
This right here is what Im talking about, thanks for chiming in.
More gear = more sides. Double the gear does not double the gains. You waste money you should have spent on food.
I've got 500mg of test and 600mg if EQ per week in me at the moment, that's it.
+2
Agreed, I saw some posts of guys putting up their gear pics saying they had no money left for food after buying their gear..I was like WTF???
+3 from me..... things defo need to change up for the better or i can forsee many,many bad problems for these pups in the future.
I have tried "more is better"......... FACT IT IS NOT!
I have tried the lazy diet...............FACT IT DONT WORK!
Will these pups be around at my age...... FACT.....WILL THEY FUCK!
Another example: Deca. deca is supposed to be taken at 1.5 - 2 mg per pound of body weight. I see posts of people doing 500-750 a week and weigh about 180 to 200 pounds. Deca is widely used in Medicine as well as UG. So basing stats off of that why do double? Does it magically double its ability? This is the mentality I speak of: If 200 is fine then 500 must be better. What did your body say when you went overboard and started breastfeeding your kids instead of your wife? Picking up what I am putting down?
I love it when I can find a post or topic in here that is based on fact and not bro science! Excellent discussion to start off the day. Great post man. Good job!!!!!
I believe alot of what your saying. EXCEPT on the EQ dosage. Depending on goals 600 mg is a good place to start.
RustyhookerI've done great at just 400.
And I am also doing amazing on my small dose as well, thanks to you
RustyhookerI was going to go complex this upcoming cycle. I miss the days of simple eat n grow with no worries. Back to light cycle and fridge is full.
I'm not going to heat up a discussion on EQ but I love throwing out one absolute fact about it. EQ also should be taken based off your body weight like they do in the veterinarian field. So a 1000 pound horse is given 500mg every 2 weeks and it DRAMATICALLY helps them. Are you basing your 600 a week on applied research or more "I heard it through the grapevine?" Also a lot of people were basing their higher numbers due to low dosed garbage they were taking. if you actually got some vet grade you would seriously not use so much due to the quality. And the fact you would have to pin about 10ml's a week since its rated at 50mg per ml 0.o
I would never write something i havent tried myself . Ive started with 400 eq. Went to 600
And no never had vet grade EQ. only pharma i have a script for is watson.
I am in the process of getting vet grade because I for one do not like dealing with the possibility of lower mg or even higher mg. I dial my shit in based on the value numbers so if something is lower or higher it will completely fuck my readings up. For example the EQ I have right now is way overdosed; I found out the hard way when after pinning I waited 3 hours before hitting the gym. My BP hit the fkn roof so bad I started to feel sick and my entire body turned red as blood after only 4 sets of benches. Listen to your body; it will tell you when something is wrong so I now have to try and dial in the right amount to make sure I am still getting 400 roughly a week. So gear that is dosed higher is not necessarily a good thing at all and obviously lower really sucks. Be in the Know lol.
Here's an ABSOLUTE fact about EQ that MANY, MANY, MANY, users have no idea about.
EQ creates Polycythemia within the body. (Increases the production of red blood cells). This condition can therefore advance into Polycythemia Vera without ANY warning, until the condition becomes so life threatening due to the increased blood production, the sufferer LITERALLY starts to drown in their own blood.
So starting or upping dosages of EQ because, "It doesn't fell like it's working", CAN kill you.
+1 for your awesome attempts to teach some facts, Mate
I was really interested in EQ until I read more about it. I know people love it, but just to much monitoring involved fro me. BP, donating blood, long cycles, etc.
You monitor your diet right? you monitor your weights in the gym right? Everything is about a good balance so if you are successful at the 2 things I mentioned then you can monitor this just as well.
this is true
I TRULY loved EQ, Mate.
I would use it within every cycle because of, FOR ME, its benefits in increasing my appetite.
But after spending 24 days in an I.C.U bed fighting for my life because of taking UNKNOWN, OVERDOSED EQ, which made my body create 4 TIMES more red blood cells than it normally could, coughing up 750+ CC's every 2-3 hours and PERMANENTLY scarring my lung because of the violent and forceful coughing to expel the excess blood AND blood clots that had formed within the right lung, I've OBVIOUSLY never used it since or ever will again.
And I was only taking, (I thought), a dose of 400mg a week.
Fuck me. Glad you recovered.
Thank you, Mate.
One rep at a time ;)
I don't blame you for that. Sounds rough hope all is well now.
We all have to learn life's lessons, but some of them suck more than others, Mate (LOL)
But I'm back up, enjoying what the iron mistress has to offer again and relishing in everything that life has to give too.
Good post mate. The more this is talked about the better +1
Yeah I'm cutting my cycles down to 3 grams of test e a week and 1 gram of tren e.. Also lowering my dbol to 150 mg a day
You cruising again, Mate ;)
Pussy. ;)
You trollin my post Bro?
Nope just making fun of the stupid cycles I see kids post
I know
My next cycle I was gonna run 500mg of Test E a week with 50mg of Provi. I think I'm gonna start with 400mg with the Provi and see how it goes. I know what 500 does for me since most of my cycles have consisted of that. I'm anxious to put Provi to the test. Granted it's only 100mg difference but it's lower and not higher. I think part of it also depends on Pharma vs UGL gear also.