i'm running clen and tren... ultimate fat burner. i wouldn't run the t3 though, i ran some at 25mcg/day and flattened out and lost muscle, didnt like it... plus t3 can permanently ruin your thyroid so it's not really necessary
but as far as your question about it being "safe" well... there is a risk associated with every drug you do so use your own discretion when experimenting with how you react to these compounds
I would challenge this just a bit... my reading leads me to believe that "high dose" tren can surpress natural t3 production. (I am not inserting a quote as there are 'hundreds' of bro-science opinions)
But, I totally agree with you on flattening out and losing some muscle on Clen/T3... for me it is higher doses, but for many it is like you said, as little as 25mcg.
----------------------At this point, please note that I have mentioned this is IMO, not documented fact. I have read thousands of pages on Clen/T3/Tren and medical journaling is rare to non-existent. There will be countless opinions which say that I am full of shit and I have no facts other than my own self-experimentation to back my opinions.-------------------------------------------------
Now the average male produces about 25mcg t3 daily - Thus to supplement by 25mcg daily would seem appropriate.
I supplement with 50mcg daily (When cycling 19-nor AAS) and I am just fine with it. I have a circle of friends who use Clen/T3 regularly and enjoy the results... BUT (and this one is a fact) too high a dose can be one nasty experience.
The 'claims' that T3 supplementing shuts down your natural system has very little factual basis behind it. We figure it is like testosterone... supplementing 'must' shut us down, right? Well, my belief (again an opinion, not a fact) is that our system recovers just fine.
Okay, a good Clen/T3 regime: Clen 80mcg/T3 50mcg - drop the Clen every two weeks (Clen 2weeks on and 2 weeks off) This is because your body gets very used to Clen, very fast. There are ways to counter this, but why? I cycled the way listed and lost 30-lb of sheer fat in 90-days while retaining a lot of muscle.
POINT: This depends TOTALLY on diet. If you have to eat that Mars bar every night, then just stay away. Your diet has to be on point. Using Clen/T3 to be able to eat shit is in line with Bulemia...not smart.
Going higher? Well, I have cycled Clen up to 240mcg and T3 up to 150mcg and was plain miserable, had to just plain come off! Cramps, raised heart beat, shaking, sleeplessness... you name it, all the sides listed are REAL! So, to cycle those kind of crazy numbers, you should really want to lose weight... AND be prepared to lose muscle. I should just say... you shouldn't do it. I figure a max would be 200/100 and even that makes for a hard daily routine. On the 2-weeks off of Clen, drop the T3 down to a less harsh level too.
Yes, catabolism! That ugly word... you cycle like that and you will lose muscle as well as fat.
So, IMO... with at high tren cycle, Clen = 80mcg (2 weeks on/2 weeks off) T3 = 50mcg ed.
NOTE!!!! If you don't know the difference between 'mcg' and 'mg' then don't touch it, you will harm yourself seriously.
Ditto i ran t3 on my test tren mast cycle. Pointless and flattened me out. If tren doeant make your body into a furnacr you might want to ask some questions
Test/Tren,.....if you're ready to jump on the tren train then yes! Clen and T-3,... Hell NO! You should leave that shit alone! Don't fuck with your thyroid!
Just a bone here, because the 'facts' are almost impossible to sift out. I never found a common opinion on clen and t3, EVERYONE had different opinions. The bone: Many claim that tren benefits from a small dose of t3 during the cycle... we are talking 50mcg. The opinion: Clen seems to run nicely with t3 at about 80mcg. That is: Clen 80mcg/T3 50mcg.
I think your body weight would not indicate any need for high doses, honestly, with your low bf you're looking at muscle wasting with anything more.
As for real life, I ran extreme levels Clen/T3... I have complete bloods tested in about 36-hours, watch for my results... We will see if I have screwed my thyroid or what. I feel quite healthy, so no indications in my general condition to say it harmed me, just routine bloods as healthy practice. Still, that does not mean it will be safe or bad for you, or that it factually was for me.
Sides... you will want the muscle control of a life art statue because one rapid twist, yawn, or stretch at bedtime and you will cramp up like never known. Often, I felt like I needed a plunger to get healthy food down my neck.
I read about 1,000 pages on Clen and T3 and plenty of use with Tren postings seemed happy at the doses listed above, but almost everyone hated higher.
hey shirls, when you got this bloodwork done had it been 2 weeks since coming off the t3, just asking as a lot of what I have read seems to indicate that is the amount of time it generally takes the thyroid to reboot, given no serious damage has been done.
It will be almost to the dot. I actually have them drawn tomoz mid-day... three weeks since any long esters, two weeks since clen/t3 and one week without any test injections. The week without test is just to 'engineer' low free test results so I can get the GP to keep my sust250 script running... I don't want to have teenager free test levels and lose my therapy. It sounds pretty bizarre with all the stuff I have run, but that prescription sust always feels nice to have on hand. Sometimes, when i feel like something is off, just a quick sust250 pin makes me feel right as rain.... a mental thing, but effective for me.
awsome, very interested to see the test results as ou were certainly pushing the boundaries with your clen/t3, would nice to see a full recovery along with the great results you got.
By the account of his pinning buddy, this is basically the cycle that Zyzz was running when they found him dead in the sauna in Thailand:
tren ace 150mg/d
test prop 150ed
T3- 25 mcg twice a day
clen 80 mcg ed
Two weeks on, two weeks off.
His goal was to maintain his "god like" physique 365 days a year.
Tren is tempting for me, specially 'cause I'm over 40 and on trt. But I'm sticking with following the rules, test and eq, somewhere down the road sust and then tren, maybe
I'm using clen with tren right now and a low dose (25mcg) of t3. Awesome results for me. I've never looked this good in my life. It was a little tough at first as the tren and clen combo killed my cardio, but my body has adjusted and I feel really good. Lots of sweating at night when I cover up under the blankets, lol. Just remember though, everyone can respond differently so what works for me may not work for you. I'm not a big fan of long term clen usage. I'll do 3 two week runs a year with it and that's it. I've read too many articles on clen and heart issues so I'm not comfortable running it frequently.
Its as safe to run as your body can handle. My body for instance would not love that combo. Clen alone makes me feel pretty terrible but with some tren on top of that I'd be sweating, shaking, nauseous, blood pressured up, anxious and dizzy. Why would you want to run all that with 7% body fat? You trying to get to 3% for the summer?
Depending on your goals, I'd do some test with the tren and see what happens from there.
Is it safe to run the compounds you have suggested? No it is not. Can you run these compounds together? Yes you can. In my opinion, given your stats don't goanywhere near clen or t3. If this is your first cycle tren is absolutely unnecessary. Hope this helps buddy.
Ultimately your cycles are going to be dictated by goals and compound risk verses benefit ratios. Your height, weight, and bf% would suggest to me that adding lean mass is your goal and that you have a naturally lean frame. I would say that test/eq cycle coupled with responsible nutrition would be the way to go. I mean at 7% bf clen and t3 sound unnecessary, and that goes back to risk verses reward.
This is a great reply. Don't forget too, that the T3 can be catabolic and even the clen or tren will not keep one totally free from muscle loss. I ran very heavy levels of Clen/T3 with Heavy Tren and it did what I was after (2-stone drop of mostly fat)... but arms went from 18+ to 16.
With your bf, I am guessing your diet is spot on... that is a must with a clen/T3 cycle. All the sides they list above... they are for real and one can expect them. I would suggest looking into minimum cycle levels, because it does work well and at your stats there just is no reason to be aggressive with it.
There is, however, pretty convincing rhetoric to suggest that a tren cycle will affect your hormones so that small supplementation of T3 is beneficial.
Yeah with clen I got higher heart beats , shakes , and cramps but it subsided after awhile , espicially from the taurine . And I've always heard that t3 is catabolic so I just stayed away from it because the only anabolic effects I were getting were from whatever small amount clen offers and the waxy maize I drink after my workout. I also read that tren will get me big without the bloat , and I'm trying to stay away from water weight. But also tren is good for cutting ad I really just want to get to 5 or 6 for a little while .
i'm running clen and tren... ultimate fat burner. i wouldn't run the t3 though, i ran some at 25mcg/day and flattened out and lost muscle, didnt like it... plus t3 can permanently ruin your thyroid so it's not really necessary
but as far as your question about it being "safe" well... there is a risk associated with every drug you do so use your own discretion when experimenting with how you react to these compounds
shirlsguyI would challenge this just a bit... my reading leads me to believe that "high dose" tren can surpress natural t3 production. (I am not inserting a quote as there are 'hundreds' of bro-science opinions)
But, I totally agree with you on flattening out and losing some muscle on Clen/T3... for me it is higher doses, but for many it is like you said, as little as 25mcg.
----------------------At this point, please note that I have mentioned this is IMO, not documented fact. I have read thousands of pages on Clen/T3/Tren and medical journaling is rare to non-existent. There will be countless opinions which say that I am full of shit and I have no facts other than my own self-experimentation to back my opinions.-------------------------------------------------
Now the average male produces about 25mcg t3 daily - Thus to supplement by 25mcg daily would seem appropriate.
I supplement with 50mcg daily (When cycling 19-nor AAS) and I am just fine with it. I have a circle of friends who use Clen/T3 regularly and enjoy the results... BUT (and this one is a fact) too high a dose can be one nasty experience.
The 'claims' that T3 supplementing shuts down your natural system has very little factual basis behind it. We figure it is like testosterone... supplementing 'must' shut us down, right? Well, my belief (again an opinion, not a fact) is that our system recovers just fine.
Okay, a good Clen/T3 regime: Clen 80mcg/T3 50mcg - drop the Clen every two weeks (Clen 2weeks on and 2 weeks off) This is because your body gets very used to Clen, very fast. There are ways to counter this, but why? I cycled the way listed and lost 30-lb of sheer fat in 90-days while retaining a lot of muscle.
POINT: This depends TOTALLY on diet. If you have to eat that Mars bar every night, then just stay away. Your diet has to be on point. Using Clen/T3 to be able to eat shit is in line with Bulemia...not smart.
Going higher? Well, I have cycled Clen up to 240mcg and T3 up to 150mcg and was plain miserable, had to just plain come off! Cramps, raised heart beat, shaking, sleeplessness... you name it, all the sides listed are REAL! So, to cycle those kind of crazy numbers, you should really want to lose weight... AND be prepared to lose muscle. I should just say... you shouldn't do it. I figure a max would be 200/100 and even that makes for a hard daily routine. On the 2-weeks off of Clen, drop the T3 down to a less harsh level too.
Yes, catabolism! That ugly word... you cycle like that and you will lose muscle as well as fat.
So, IMO... with at high tren cycle, Clen = 80mcg (2 weeks on/2 weeks off) T3 = 50mcg ed.
NOTE!!!! If you don't know the difference between 'mcg' and 'mg' then don't touch it, you will harm yourself seriously.
Ditto i ran t3 on my test tren mast cycle. Pointless and flattened me out. If tren doeant make your body into a furnacr you might want to ask some questions
Test/Tren,.....if you're ready to jump on the tren train then yes! Clen and T-3,... Hell NO! You should leave that shit alone! Don't fuck with your thyroid!
shirlsguyJust a bone here, because the 'facts' are almost impossible to sift out. I never found a common opinion on clen and t3, EVERYONE had different opinions. The bone: Many claim that tren benefits from a small dose of t3 during the cycle... we are talking 50mcg. The opinion: Clen seems to run nicely with t3 at about 80mcg. That is: Clen 80mcg/T3 50mcg.
I think your body weight would not indicate any need for high doses, honestly, with your low bf you're looking at muscle wasting with anything more.
As for real life, I ran extreme levels Clen/T3... I have complete bloods tested in about 36-hours, watch for my results... We will see if I have screwed my thyroid or what. I feel quite healthy, so no indications in my general condition to say it harmed me, just routine bloods as healthy practice. Still, that does not mean it will be safe or bad for you, or that it factually was for me.
Sides... you will want the muscle control of a life art statue because one rapid twist, yawn, or stretch at bedtime and you will cramp up like never known. Often, I felt like I needed a plunger to get healthy food down my neck.
I read about 1,000 pages on Clen and T3 and plenty of use with Tren postings seemed happy at the doses listed above, but almost everyone hated higher.
hey shirls, when you got this bloodwork done had it been 2 weeks since coming off the t3, just asking as a lot of what I have read seems to indicate that is the amount of time it generally takes the thyroid to reboot, given no serious damage has been done.
shirlsguyIt will be almost to the dot. I actually have them drawn tomoz mid-day... three weeks since any long esters, two weeks since clen/t3 and one week without any test injections. The week without test is just to 'engineer' low free test results so I can get the GP to keep my sust250 script running... I don't want to have teenager free test levels and lose my therapy. It sounds pretty bizarre with all the stuff I have run, but that prescription sust always feels nice to have on hand. Sometimes, when i feel like something is off, just a quick sust250 pin makes me feel right as rain.... a mental thing, but effective for me.
awsome, very interested to see the test results as ou were certainly pushing the boundaries with your clen/t3, would nice to see a full recovery along with the great results you got.
By the account of his pinning buddy, this is basically the cycle that Zyzz was running when they found him dead in the sauna in Thailand:
tren ace 150mg/d
test prop 150ed
T3- 25 mcg twice a day
clen 80 mcg ed
Two weeks on, two weeks off.
His goal was to maintain his "god like" physique 365 days a year.
Tren is tempting for me, specially 'cause I'm over 40 and on trt. But I'm sticking with following the rules, test and eq, somewhere down the road sust and then tren, maybe
Dont forget abot his heart condition and use of rec drugs.
and fucking taking DNP and chillin in a sauna. MORONS
RustyhookerIt's hazardous . You take precycle bloods for thyroid? On cycle thyroid? Small good dosing and you're on thyroid for life.
Clen raises bpm....so does gear. How bout you eat properly?? There's no magic pills
WithdrawlI'm using clen with tren right now and a low dose (25mcg) of t3. Awesome results for me. I've never looked this good in my life. It was a little tough at first as the tren and clen combo killed my cardio, but my body has adjusted and I feel really good. Lots of sweating at night when I cover up under the blankets, lol. Just remember though, everyone can respond differently so what works for me may not work for you. I'm not a big fan of long term clen usage. I'll do 3 two week runs a year with it and that's it. I've read too many articles on clen and heart issues so I'm not comfortable running it frequently.
BigBmajIts as safe to run as your body can handle. My body for instance would not love that combo. Clen alone makes me feel pretty terrible but with some tren on top of that I'd be sweating, shaking, nauseous, blood pressured up, anxious and dizzy. Why would you want to run all that with 7% body fat? You trying to get to 3% for the summer?
Depending on your goals, I'd do some test with the tren and see what happens from there.
shirlsguyx2
Okay I figure it could be a little over kill with clen on top of tren .
Is it safe to run the compounds you have suggested? No it is not. Can you run these compounds together? Yes you can. In my opinion, given your stats don't goanywhere near clen or t3. If this is your first cycle tren is absolutely unnecessary. Hope this helps buddy.
I've already ran clen fine and I've read alot about t3 and clen but I have yet to do research on t3 which I plan on doing
Ultimately your cycles are going to be dictated by goals and compound risk verses benefit ratios. Your height, weight, and bf% would suggest to me that adding lean mass is your goal and that you have a naturally lean frame. I would say that test/eq cycle coupled with responsible nutrition would be the way to go. I mean at 7% bf clen and t3 sound unnecessary, and that goes back to risk verses reward.
shirlsguyThis is a great reply. Don't forget too, that the T3 can be catabolic and even the clen or tren will not keep one totally free from muscle loss. I ran very heavy levels of Clen/T3 with Heavy Tren and it did what I was after (2-stone drop of mostly fat)... but arms went from 18+ to 16.
With your bf, I am guessing your diet is spot on... that is a must with a clen/T3 cycle. All the sides they list above... they are for real and one can expect them. I would suggest looking into minimum cycle levels, because it does work well and at your stats there just is no reason to be aggressive with it.
There is, however, pretty convincing rhetoric to suggest that a tren cycle will affect your hormones so that small supplementation of T3 is beneficial.
Yeah with clen I got higher heart beats , shakes , and cramps but it subsided after awhile , espicially from the taurine . And I've always heard that t3 is catabolic so I just stayed away from it because the only anabolic effects I were getting were from whatever small amount clen offers and the waxy maize I drink after my workout. I also read that tren will get me big without the bloat , and I'm trying to stay away from water weight. But also tren is good for cutting ad I really just want to get to 5 or 6 for a little while .
shirlsguyWhat a buzz that would be.... I would walk around like a rooster with the type of bf!
Haha I'm I want more of an NPC body then IFBB, and it's becoming impossible to get down even lower
Okay I see what your saying , that was a good way of putting it . Thanks!