+ 2 Thoughts on T4 usage with GH or Tren or Both
So I know a lot of people are against thyroid medication. I myself, will play devils advocate here and I'm neither for or against it. I just thought this would be a good post to make for people to share their thought and opinions as well as scientific information regarding the use of t4. So here's my experience with T4.
When I first started running HGH I used T4 for the first months to really shed the fat off. Everyone, or should I say most people know that T4 and HGH are synergistic because the use of exogenous HGH leads to lower t4 levels due to the conversion to t3 being "sped up". Therefore taking exogenous T4 in effect increases the amount of t3 "accessed" by the body. The effect is more fat loss or so has been my experience.
I have never used T4 with Tren but I know that Tren causes a reduction of t3 in the body. By what mechanism, in not sure, but I'm sure it's in relation to the same as HGH. Can anyone affirm this?
So in theory, taking T4 in conjunction with HGH and Tren, there would be a huge increase in fat loss....
Again, NOT condoning the use of T4 but I'm just creating this for a multitude of reasons...
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To share my experience with T4 in conjunction with HGH.
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To get people talking about the risks, benefits, health concerns, etc with T4 usage.
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To get people talking, also to get people experience with Tren and T4.
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I know a lot of people are against thyroid meds and there is good reason so. Myself, I have taken t3 on several occasions for 6,8 week runs and hated it actually. I've used t4 for several months with t4 and loved the fat loss effects. I know that these have been know to cause irreversible thyroid issues, which could be due to several different reasons ( genetics, bad luck, mis-usage, etc...) but I still like to discuss and get educated as well as to educate people who may run into this forum at some point.
So let the discussion begin!..
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I myself will never touch thyroid again. It starts out innocent and then you are physically addicted to the point it could kill you if you stop too fast.
t4 I'm not sure, I used t3. In theory your thoughts are practical on paper. However in practice I think it would hurt. If you are willing and able, try it and post results to a new thread.
I truly agree with gearhead and darth pale
There is a far better alternative to T4 and HGH for fat lose
Cardio and HGH
The effects on the thyroid hormone are far to risky to warrant taking this med, we run a risk with every compound we take so why put in that added risk when fat burning can take place via other methods as stated above
If the gh fucks up your thyroid youre better off with just cardio, the gh isnt gonna do much except drain your wallet.
So ...GH isn't gonna do much for fat removal??
It does a good bit for me especially when I blast it!
Me too fella, adding it with things like T3 or T4 isnt a must
Just depends on the dose if t3 or t4 is needed.....
Unless you take large doses you will have to add in t3 or t4 eventually! No one gets big off 4 ius of gh...tren also lowers your t3 levels as well. That's why most get that tired feeling. It's almost a must just like when you test you need to take something to control your estros! I don't really notice anything until 16 ius a day anyways.
Ya when i have run tren it crashed my t3, horrible feeling, tired all the fucking time just feeling like death, little supplementation fixed everything. As for the gh, i agree its dose dependent, on 1-4ius ed youre probably good, i just had mine tested on 5ius ed and i was close to reaching that point of very low t4 and high t3 but still in range so im not gonna fuck with it. My doc said no need yet and i agree. But when I got up to 10ius ed t4 was necessary but i didnt last long at that dose due to an injury. But jesus, 16ius ed lol?? I cant imagine the amount of food youd need to eat to gain running that high of a dose, and the results youd get. I know for a fact my head would get even bigger and so would my hands and feet, Ive gone up a shoe size easily over the last few years and I keep it around 5ius ed 90% of the time. It has made my jaw look damn good though hah.
Yes I eat non stop and people say my head even has muscles. Lol. Yes and gives a nice square look to your jaw. I have to take t3 with my GH or it defeats the purpose. Just a dose of 25mcg a day. I don't see how a supplementation can fix a thyroid issue though.
This is something I've pondered ever since starting using gh, I've been on it for a few years now and haven't ran any tren since. And the saying goes "if your not using t4 with your gh your wasting half your money, if you run t3 with your gh you're just wasting your time" this is due to the fact that the conversion process is very necessary for gh anabolic and fat burning effects, by taking straight t3 you cut out that conversion process. This is where the Iodothyronine deiodinases enzymes come into play, on a basic level D1 and D2 are responsible for the acfivation and conversion of t4 to active t3, and D3 is responsible for inacfivating t3. When t4 is low and t3 is high levels of d1 and d2 get low and d3 fee high, this robs you of alof of gh benefits (also dose dependent I would suggest anyone to use these on less then 5-7is Ed). So anyways if you take pure t3 there is no conversion, level of d3 will be sky high and levels of d1 and d1 will be low as hell. So on tren what's a man to do? I know when I run it my t3 lvels crash, wil f4 be enough? I guess bloods sre the only way to find out. I just got my thyroid panel last week ok 5iis of pharm grade and my t4 was around 5 ( ref goes up to 12) and t3 was 33 ( ref was upp to 44 I believe). TSH was 2.3 or something, so she didn't wanna do anything I still keep of tjr tren situation, guess if I ever run it again I'll figure it out.
So moral of the story is go to bloods. I only ran t4 work mg gh once for about 6-8 weeks and I felt and saw no diff. I wa ok 7iud of US nordifdopim and my thgroix was range. I wouldn't take smg unless I really needed if, especially sikcd if did so little the one firm I did try it.
We don't promote the use of thyroid meds in this community. If you are concerned about the effects of HGH on T4 and Tren on T3, run bloods and look. If, in fact, you're running into issues let an endo manage it. You don't have to disclose your GH or AAS use. It's one thing to let a doc restore your levels to a normal range if you are having, for example, unbearable symptoms and quite another to get a recommended exogenous dosage from an Internet forum like this and experiment. Yes, I've taken risks and done things that are dangerous to my health. My body, my decision. Advocating that you go do it is another matter entirely. There are other effective ways to burn fat off than tampering so grossly with your metabolism by messing around with thryroid hormones as you yourself pointed out below.
No. There is no good reason to toy with your thyroid and no scientific evidence that it will do a goddamn thing for you.
I just recently watched this and would be good for you to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uESDM-qSssg
I will check it out. I don't plan on using the stuff again whatsoever but was just curious on the topic and I feel a lot of people's experience as well as this forum post and people comment will possibly deter people from trying the shit. Yes I lost a lot of body fat but it could have been a multitude of things. On top of that, there are a lot better ways to lost fat then via a drug, especially thyroid meds.