posted Sun, 12/23/2012 - 13:24
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Test/Tren Question
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i got a question about a tren and test cycle. Does the amount of test matter if you are running test with it since they go after the same receptors? lets say i did 30mg test/ 100 tren eod. would that be bad?
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Oh and use TREN after ten years of steriod use of your an idiot
The receptor thing is a myth
Enough for any amount of anabolics exist
You never have to clean them
And tbh it's funny people believe this non sense
Think
With enough tolerance I can shoot as much heroin as I want and my body will make an accept more and more morphine
Same with test or any other AAS
Take this for example the excess test in a high test lower TREN cycle makes for more sides
Bc of the extra Test and its natural conversion to E and dht
Higher TREN lower test is lower sides bc TREN doesn't carry the normal sides associated with test and the test is lower this less receptors used
It's not a TREN and test fist fight
Lots say it is!
This is IMO
cdaddy7U are correct about cleaning them but u are wrong about Tren/test...It's about the ligand binding....Tren is a PgR ligand with mixed agonist/antagonist activity... it also highly suppresses natural progesterone as well as alters its metabolism. Antagonist action at the PgR can be just as much an issue as agonist action....It's obvious that they have a similar structure and can travel the same metabolic pathways....understand that the Tren has affinity to bind stronger to the receptor...no fight just a stronger bind and no room for test...leaving the free test floating around to convert which gives the unwanted sides.....as u can see below
The androgen receptor (AR), also known as NR3C4 (nuclear receptor subfamily 3, group C, member 4), is a type of nuclear receptor [6] that is activated by binding of either of the androgenic hormones testosterone or dihydrotestosterone [7] in the cytoplasm and then translocating into the nucleus. The androgen receptor is most closely related to the progesterone receptor, and progestins in higher dosages can block the androgen receptor. [8][9]
The main function of the androgen receptor is as a DNA-binding transcription factor that regulates gene expression; [10] however, the androgen receptor has other functions as well. [11] Androgen regulated genes are critical for the development and maintenance of the male sexual phenotype.
Ref ....Wikipedia.com
Thank you! I'm still not sure what the facts are when it comes to a receptor cleanse. But I know for sure that the test/tren issue he is wrong about. Yes, all AAS compete for the same receptor. But some have a hugher binding affinity to the AR than others. Those with stronger binding ability will occupy most of your receptors. Test should be used as a healthy base with tren. That's it. The more test you introduce the more you will see side effects from excess. Not to mention you're wasting it. I'm speaking from not only research but years of experience with these compounds. Thank you for clarifying this. I still want to know the deal with cleansing receptor sites. Now I have homework to do. Looks like what I thought I knew might be in question
That's "higher" not hugher. Although tren does have a huger binding ability, lol
For example you can blast heroin all day every day
Yes tolerance builds but it's not the receptors denying the heroin in
Also fentanyl is stronger affinity to te receptor then oxycodone
But if your on a fent patch for pain and take oxy for breakthrough you can feel the oxy
Bc similar to steriods the body will make and utilize all the compound available to it
Just the same as the more sugar we eat the more insulin is secreted and the more it's utilized by the body
The body's only limit is death
You can drink alcohol till your dead
Your body continues to accept it
Over over and over
Your body can take more and more test and TREN
But of course sides go up the more you use and tbh test has more sides than TREN
TREN is just more severe and harder to control and repair
So you think the higher test doses are ok with tren or will it differ person to person? I know for sure that I personally respond better to a 2;1 ratio tren/test.
No I must be miscommunication my message
I think the smart plan is like you say
Higher TREN and lower test
Bc I believe test is the sides culprit due to the conversion of test to e and dht
Very possible that i'm just not interperating it the way you mean it. I forgot to put my helmet on this morning. I banged my head pretty hard earlier, lol. Thanks for the reply. Now we are on the same page
LOL.. I m glad I didn;t have to get in on this one and whip everyone into shape ;-)
Whip? Yes, I need to be whipped.....into shape. ;-)
I say like 100 TREN A EOD and 50mg Test Prop EOD
Or like 200test e and 600 TREN e is a nice stack
These are advanced stacks really anything with TREN is
The caber alone to run TREN is expensive
In all reality I'd love to do the cut stack the 50 50 50 one with TREN a , T P and Mast P
If love to do two ml per day , that would be intense I bet
Eight weeks
I've done it. It's a very good stack although I prefer individual compounds seperate over cut blends. Simply for more control. But TP/Tren A/Mast P is intesnse. I agree about the ratio. I think I was just misunderstanding you in the beginning
Please clarify what "receptor thing is a myth". If i'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that it doesn't matter whether you run higher test or tren because?? This is TOTALLY inaccurate. I know this kid has no biz using tren so maybe we shouldn't have this debate here but I want to hear your logic behind this statement. And the receptor cleansing is nonsense is also interesting. Please elaborate. Does tren not have a much much higher binding affinity to the AR than test? Can one run blasts for a year straight and their reeptors are just as fresh as the day they started?
No if you blast all year your tolerance will go up and you will need more and more or see less and less effects
I guess what I meant was its clearing receptor doesn't make sense to me they naturally will be regulated by the intensely advanced endocrine system
I guess I don't think we have much to use to so call clear our receptors other than purely time off of the substance you wanna clear
Guys my info doesn't come from wiki
I'm not gonna brag but take your hats off and take the info with an open mind
Even with the stronger affinity to the receptors
There are enough for all the Test and TREN you can use
Why else would pros do such large doses
There are more than enough receptors to fit both TREN and test IMO
It's just my thoughts not facts for everyone as many have different reactions
The science of steriods is to vast to make many down right always or never type answers
I'd say run lower test than TREN say test. 300
TREN 600 bc I do believe the less test the less sides
Have not used TREN and don't plan to bc it's simply to advanced for my use
I'm not a bodybuilder
cdaddy7I see what ur saying bro...just not so sure on receptor occupation...I'm sure that is a genetic disposition if u delve deeper into the issue bc It's genetics that separate competition Bodybuilders from the rest of us but that's a whole different story...and i agree that there are def exceptions to the rules bc i have def seen it in my time as I'm sure u have as well...def agree that everyone is different...this would b a great example...how is it that i use Deca even in a low dose and within two weeks I have gyno flares but I use Tren and have no issues...so I am inclined to say it varies from person to person....everyone has a sweet spot and it may b that u have to use more or less...my point is that to play it safe and to consider the average poll is low test to high Tren is the way to go for majority....It may just not be the same with u....i believe we are mutants in some way or another...lol...of course I'm not saying that in a practical but theoretical sense in how we vary individually from compound to compound
Ok, fair enough. I'm simply not educated enough on the receptor cleansing idea. I know the best way (if theres any truth to it) is to just stop cycling for a good amount of time and give your body a break. Keep running you'll just need more and more. I have homework because I simply don't know the answer. But what you say makes more sense now. As for the test/tren ratio. I used to use high test doses with less tren and when I started using a low dose test (200mg ew) with higher tren (at least double 400-500mg ew), I noticed a signifigant difference in gains especially but less sides as well
Your 21 years old, you shouldn't even be running test let alone tren.
I understand but i take all the precautions before starting any cycle. such as ai caber pct.
I'm not trying to be an ass and I know it's not what u want to hear but it's true. I was 21 once and I thought I had it all figured out, there is absolutely nothing you can take which will prevent the damage you are going to do to your natty test.
AnonNot to mention it will literally stunt his vertical growth!
Listen to the pros bro
AnonI think hes means that you will never have a natural test level ever again starting a gear cycle so young... You just hit puberty like 5 to 6 years ago, you will have to take lab made test for the rest of you life in order to feel and act normal