Test E + Deca + Dbol for 12 Week Bulk then switch to Test p + Tren a + Winstrol + Clenbuterol for 9 weeks
so i just made a better cycle dosages.
stats: 25yo, 174 cm , 80 kg , 9% bf. been training for 5 years. this will be my 5 th cycle.
1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.
diet: bulk
6am- 1 scoop serious mass
7am- 15egss (only 1 or 2 whole egg) with 3 pcs whole wheat bread and some peanut butter on
9.30am- 250gr chicken/100gr rice
12pm- 250gr beef cubes/100gr rice
2.30pm- 250gr chicken/100gr rice
5pm- 250gr beef cubes/100gr rice
7pm - 8pm at the gym
post workout 2 scoop optimum whey
9pm- 300gr tilapia fish/100gr rice
11.30pm 1 scoop casein protein
training:
monday- leg
tuesday-chest
wednesday-arm
thursday- shoulder
friday- leg
saturday- back
sunday- rest
supps are ; weight gainer, whey, casein, bcaa, glutamine, nox, inta workout, creatine, multivitamins, and zma. every meal includes the steamed veggies like brocolli etc.
so its about 500gr protein, 600-700gr carbs, no junks/cheating so fat comes only from foods.
5000 more cals.
cutting diet will be same amount of protein , with only 2 times carbs at before/after workout meals
my goal from this cycle is reach to 100kg in bulking with increase bf around 13 -15 %, then cut to 90kg or a bit more with 5 % bf.
any advises , recommendations will be welcomed.
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Thanks for your post!! I'll gonna try it. Hope the results will be soon.
Sometimes it's best to find a vet on here and talk thru pm man
i think so , thx
First off why not split this thing up into 2 seperate cycles? 22 weeks of 19nors seems like you are setting yourself up for a very rough recovery.
And reading below you seem to have had mostly failed cycles so why not keep it simple? I think... no i know if you hold to a good diet on the bulk you can put on good weight with something simple. Why not run a dbol/test cycle to bulk. Do a PCTtake time off then come back with a short ester cutter.
Your goals seem unreasonable as well. You say you want to cut to 5% BF. Do you even know how lean that is??
I may have missed it but what are you using for a DA?
This post seems to be borderline trolling. Not saying it is. But if you are really thinking of running this i hope you reconsider.
Never liked the idea of a bulker and cutter in the same cycle. Better off doing a lean bulker where you can gain some quality mass and even drop a few BF% in the process resulting a big change in body composition and appearance.
Agreeed. I've tried it before. It's not the most efficient way to do things.
how was your cycle though, dosages, duration etc, how was your diet, training, supplementation, and your purpose of doing was just to be big and cut for summer , or prepare for competition?
Honestly like makwa said the results of both phase were mediocre. I used npp so it would kick faster. The bulk was ok. But when you start cutting you shouldn't just drop frkm 4000+ bulking diet right into a 2500 cal cutting diet, you really need to slowly drop cals each week to avoid shocking your body and losing muscle. And with your plan you only have 9 weeks to cut and it would be optimal to drop cals down slowly over a month period or so leaving you with only 5 weeks left to drop the fat. I did this and still lost muscle. I really believe you have to maintain it for sometime before dieting even when using gear. And then there's the shutdown you're going to deal with. Comjng back from a 22 week cycle is going to be hard enogh. Comjng back from a 22 week cycle with two 19-Nors is gonna be extremely difficult. It's probably possible but it's gonna be a long hard recovery.
what would you suggest then? no bulk/cut cycle?
It sounds good in theory but the results always seem to be lackluster on both ends. Very few people could probably pull it off successfully.
i will try and see what the results will be . and post here
the last cycle had use tren e 200mg, test e 750mg and proviron 50mg ed, i started about 76kg with 12% bf, end of cycle was 82 kg 8.9%bf. i did very low carbs though. now 80 kg.
so i want to give some break for tren , and want to get bigger then cut before competition.
I'd have to agree with Catalyst on this one unfortunately fella. You do realise your preposed cycle you plan to put 2lbs on per day for 12 weeks?
why cant be? is there any reason that i cant gain that much weight ? and usually bulk cycle end up with 30 35 lbs for most people, and my diet supps training are very strict and heavy , cycle dosage also not small, so i just set big goals for big gains ;)
So if that's the case why are you 80kgs after 5 cycles? Never bulked?
Post up a current pic, then one at 100kgs then another at 90kgs 5% bf. I'd be delighted to see such a transformation.
first 2 cycles were a bit less experienced time, test only.then i did test eq dbol cycle to bulk which i was 15%, i was about 83kg reach to 92kg with 18% but didnt keep and drop to 86kg, and diet was not good, so now im more experienced and its a good time for big bulk as im already under 10%bf.
Just re-read what I wrote, it's half a pound not 2 pounds gain per day. Apologies.
You're going to gain 20kgs on this cycle???? Then cut to a point where you're 10kg heavier with a 4% bf reduction.
I think your cycle is over the top and your goals unrealistic.
its just my goal to gain 20+kgs but i dont mean i will be 100 kg, i would be less and I just make my expectations bigger so I know I have to work harder to achieve that level, just to try my best to gain as much as good quality gains from bulk, and for cutting ; same process.. will do my best to achieve my planned goals, im gonna start on feb 2nd, i ll often post the results. regards
Hi bro, please first read if you are ready to use aas, if you have 5 minutes please read this topic http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-tren-eq-c...
Thank you for your patience
my friend, thank you for the article and R.I.P for that guy. but its not 100%proven because of steroids, he might have other health problems,or use other drugs etc.
and if you think steroids kill you and you dont use them what are you doing in this forum? I mean, I post my cycle just to see what other users think ( professionals one ) im not expecting quality reviews from beginners ;)
thanks.
as the cycle is very long i can drop the doses little bit as well;
1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.
this would be ideal and better i think, what u think?
Anon23 and this is your 5th cycle? Damn man....have you just accepted the fact that you may never recover from this? I wouldnt recommend a cycle like that to most experienced users much older than you.
We dont really give advice to guys under 25, I would suggest you rethink this and lay off the drugs for a bit. I know you probably wont listen but that's really the best advice your gonna get
believer_84Cycle is trash bro. Sorry to say this but you need to do some well let's just say a lot of research my friend. 22 wks of DECA followed by tren? Come on now bro your only 23 or your profile says 25. All I know is your age is undetermined and this cycle proposal is begging for a flaming from the big boys here. I'm not cosigning any help besides saying that your diet and training regimen look decent. Save your youth brother! Spend some time here researching and you will find out what compounds such as these can do to a guy your age!
yes, im 25 as my profile says, sorry type wrong 23yo. anyways im not using steroids just for summer look or for my ego, im getting ready for a competition , and continue my career with bb and personal trainer, i live in a huge discipline life that many guys cant handle, just very strict to diets/workout anything related to bb. im not a smoker drinker or a party boy. cook and pack every meal, eat every 2.5 hours, rest well etc. i know my body well, thats why im thinking bulking/and cutting in the same cycle. you said the cycle is trash but you didnt mention which part or dosage, just randomly type trash , if you have some knowledge as i say advises recommendations are all welcomed. regards