Reaching out. Cycle inquiry/thoughts
I'm just starting a prop, andro blend, cyp cycle and was a bit confused about something.
I was thinking of running test p first 2 weeks or so since everything else is a long ester. My confusion lies with the andro blend since its 100mg/ml of tren e , mast e and test e
I see posts all over about running more tren than test. If tren is 5x more potent, why??
This is my first go with tren e.
My thought was to do 1cc of prop eod for 2 weeks or so. And 1cc of andro and cyp 2x a week.
Some say that's fine. Others say I need to bump the andro to 2cc 2x per.
It seems like this combo would be a perfect storm of sorts for someone who hasn't cycled in over 2years. I'm coming back from injury and looking to pack on some LBM and Shred as I creep back towards the dark side.
I usually never run super high amounts. I train hard and eat right and sleep. If I run 2cc andro 2x a week that's 400 of each in the blend. Plus the cyp? Seems excessive..I mean I'm sure I'd get brolic but why flood my receptors? Also, there is the whole tren e sides debacle, lol
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Bro, You're relatively new so I will be soft with my keyboard. On this website, in these fora, we do not start pinning shit then make announcements to the board then ask for cleanup.
What we do here is state what our goals are, outline what we have been researching and thinking about to get there and ask the community which has many members older and wiser than we for advice.
With that advice we might go through an iteration or two or three and refine things until they are perfect then we acquire the needed materials and eventually start pinning.
Ya. I'd be confused too with that mess of crap. Sorry for being blunt.
I just wanted to share with you how this works here. Good Luck.
Good pull up. Placed in the mental rolodex.
I definitely should have added more information from the jump to get a more concise answer.
Ok so 34 5'11 190lbs. Been back at the gym for 8 months.
You need to do a lot of things before you start this or any cycle and by any cycle I mean starting over with a test only cycle since you have been off two years.
Wait you already started the cycle before asking for advice......?
Did you get pre cycle bloods?
Have you had your BF checked?
Why were unable to get past 200lbs without AAS?
Is your training and nutrition really up to par?
What is your cycle history?
Have you ran short esters before and established the multiple injection sites required for ED pinning to accommodate your prop kicker?
You wanna test cyp test prop tren E and mast all at the same time. Are you experienced with how each of these compounds react aeperately with your body? If not how will you know which one is causing the sides?
I also see no mention of an anti prolactin? Do you have caber on hand?
Lets talk about it?
Thanks for the reply. Let me try to answer in order.
Base bloods done ✔
BF % last checked was 11%. It seems it's always the sides that are last to go. ✔
I have used short esters many times. Prop..mast.. is usually my go to. I ran tren a
one time with the afore mentioned. They weren't blended together though. ✔
Cycle history - 6 ..started with test / dbol @25 yr old. Have ran test/deca/winny
test/masteron is by far my fav. My last cycle
Was the prop/mast p/ tren a and I was on serostim with it. At clost to the end of that I was 207 @ 8% maybe even a little lower when all said and done.
My training is really good. Diet is clean. Timing is good. Rest is better than even. Plus my shoulder is the best it's been ever. I dislocated it 2x, once in college playing ice hockey and again at the beginning of 2013. ✔
As far as the above 200 w/o aas. Once during off season. While I'm playing though, speed is better than sheer strength and usually I'm around what I am now. Give or take 3lbs.
I have pram. Should I grab caber instead? Also have adex those I've never really been sensitive to estro. No history of gyno or pregyno.
I'm constantly drinking water as well. Hope that covers it?
Oh as far the starting.. pinned only 1 of each this a.m. So technically, I've started. But obviously nothing has kicked.
Thanks for your time!
Okay so with all your experience you should realize that since it has been two years a simple test E 500 with a prop kicker would really work well for you. Your receptors are clear and you should get nice gains off that cycle. See how your body reacts. You are older now and sides me affect you differently.
Oh yeah, I've also run serostim and generics before.
I've always done test only in the winter.
I guess the reason for wanting to do the mast/ tren was to obtain that hard dry look which I've never achieved with test only.
Was it my diet? Maybe. Because after reading the link provided below for a shred my diet was not set up like that.
I do understand what you mean about fresh receptors.
Oh if tren is more potent then why do people say run more tren than test? If the mg ratio was the same wouldn't the tren still be the main component? The leading man so to speak. It's more powerful.
Also, in a depleted diet sense, would the tren /mast be more beneficial as far as retaining/adding muscle or is this totally a diet effected issue? Sorry about all the questions but the more info and better understanding the better.
Your diet will determine your gains. And as far looking bloofy if your estrogen is in check and your diet is good test only still works.
That is one reason bloods are important pre and during as well post.
I am not a pro or an expert I will answer your question simply from my own experience. I have ran tren with test higher and I have also ran tren with test lower.
The higher test cycle had more water weight and more sides.
The lower test gave me a dryer look less sides estrogen was maintained better.
There are a shit load of articles that explain the ratios and how it aromatizes.
Thanks. Yeah that's what I obtained from what I read. The lower the test the less sides. Someone went into length about the test and tren fighting for the receptor, which puzzled me if the tren is much more powerful.
They fight for the same receptors and the tren wins. Leaving the extra test to aromatize and increase the potential for sides.
Ok. That's what I thought. It scientifically / biologically doesn't make sense that if you throw more test in it'll just win the battle of the tren is the superior andro compound.
RustyhookerBad choices all around...
can you elaborate why?
I was going to use fast acting 'rip cut' blend but to me the only difference is how quick plasma levels raise and frequency of shots
My injury is healed and is stronger than ever. That being said, I've been been training full throttle for the past 8 months with any problems.
Why do many say that adding LBM and shredding up don't go together? That doesn't compute to me. It's certainly obtainable, most just do a super bulk and then shred. IMO, that's a waste. I rather make steady gains while keeping lean.
Over the top in a sense of too much gear? I've cycle before. I'm looking forward to this one. Yes it has been awhile. I wanted to make sure I was ready. The last thing I want to do is be shut down again, you know?
I'm not as lean as I'd like to be. I still have a little stubborn side flab. That's always the last to go. The good thing is I'm actually stronger than I was preinjury. There were certain exercises that I could max at prior to getting fixed up.
Macros
Protein Carbs Fat Calories
Rest Days 404 g 44 g 58 g 2,315 kcal
Training Days 404 g 348 g 52 g 3,473 kcal
Glad you are not trying to jump on a cycle to help recover from injury.
When looking to pack on LBM you need to be in a calorie surplus. To get shredded you need to be in a calorie deficit. Both are diametrically opposed. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Trying to do both will just end up having you spinning your wheels and not really accomplishing much. It is possible though to gean LBM without turning into a puffy slob. It all boils down to your diet. This is the best way I know of to put on quality mass and minimize fat gain.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
If you are looking to get "shredded" this is the type of diet you need to follow:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/your-fi...
You need to choose one goal (LBM or getting shredded) and use your diet to achieve that goal with some assistance from your cycle.
IMO with your fresh receptors, there is absolutely no need for tren in your cycle. No need for a competion prep cycle to reach your goal. It is unneccesary and unhealthy. 12 week cycle of test e or c would be plenty to reach whatever your goal is with the diet structured towards that goal
Any idea on your BF? A pic would help if you can put one up.
Ya. So nice to see you write that.
LOL
Saved you from having to write it. lol
I posted what I could. Just for a basic idea. The app I got to crophead out sucks. Sorry on phone.
Well.....If you haven't cycled in over 2 years. This cycle is way over the top. How long has it been since your injury? Are you up to pre-injury shape now? If not, you are not ready to cycle. Packing on LBM and shredding don't go hand in hand. I think you need to refine your goals more. You say you eat right. What does that mean. Are you over/under your TDEE? What are your macros? What is your BF? Lots of questions here, but they need to be answered so we can get you going in the right direction to reach whatever goal you have.