+ 1 Psychological State and Energy Levels on Steroid Cycle?
Hi, I have a question. I just started a cycle (my first) of 300mg of Test Enanthate from a UGL, 2X per week. I'm also taking 500ius of HCG 2X per week and 0.5mg of liquid arimidex every day. My first injection was 4am on Wednesday morning (2.5 hrs after coming home from work; I work nights). Only problem is, I don't feel anything (it's been 22 hours, so test levels should be increasing). I actually feel a bit lethargic.
I've been told by many that soon after the injection, you can develop a sense of euphoria and increased energy. See this article (http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/02/magazine/the-he-hormone.html?pagewante...) for an example. In any case, I'm going for some bloodwork tomorrow to check my test levels (to make sure the gear is legit); that's approximately 36 hours after my injection (when blood levels are supposed to peak).
Could "test flu" be a possibility. I know it's been said that people often feel crummy in the early stages of the cycle b/c the body isn't used to the high levels of test circulating (300 mg should give supraphysiological levels at peak). Any answers would be appreciated. Thanks.
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AnonIts all BS ur just normal in the head i mean like u feel alil more cocky yes cuz u know u gona grew soon and fast and u also lifting more than most of the people at the gym ur size. I feel a lil more hornier but there is no high to Hormones dude remeber u already have testosterone naturally its not a high its a change in physical state
Only two things really change my mood enough for me to notice.
Dbol - almost like a high, never done coke, but I imagine this is how mini coke would feel.
Tren - makes me not really give a shit a bout anything.
Would like to try high dose mast just to see if it really does make your libido crazy.
yeah you gotta give it a few weeks , frontloading helps ( doing a double dose teh first week) but the psychological state your reffering to that some people get is all in their head - take it from me my first shot years ago i thought i was on top of the world after 5 minutes -lol im older and much wiser now of course , but you'll know when it kicks in - you'll be boning everything in site like a wild dog - cheers
I haven't gone in for my bloodwork yet, and my mood is the same. I'm injecting again tomorrow night, and will be going for bloodwork on Thursday. One thing I have noticed is weight gain of a few pounds; I know that test will cause water retention and of course muscle gain (though I didn't lift last week b/c my thigh was still sore from the shot).
psychologically
My current cycle I noticed it when I had a minor argument (in fact not even an argument). All the sudden I just wanted to hit the dude. I didn't hit him cause I know how to keep my inner Hulk contained.
I'm now halfway through my cycle and the agro is constant, I actually don't mind it. My Hulk never shows himself to other people but I can feel him.
If I think of people in the past that have wronged me, my thoughts end up like a Saw movie.
Women who I don't know and catch my eye seem more like objects of my sexual desire.
Wow, even looking at what i just wrote, I may be a AAS psychopath.
Thank god there's no such thing the thought police
You should notice a positive mood increase and increased sex drive. If the juice is legit you should be able to tell without a blood test. Give it a little time.
BigBmajPatience grasshopper.
It's test, not heroin.
The psychological effects are subtitle and will take awhile to notice. You should feel "on" in a couple of weeks.
I always keep seeing post from people telling others that it this substance will not kick for this amount of time and this substance this times etc..that's just what they have been told by others or read on forums and believe it to be true its broscience...Your Test levels will indeed peak as u expect within 48hours and having an extra 300mg in your system is gonna make things happen for sure. the reason (going to educate everyone now
) people think it does not ''kick in'' for a certain time is because of this..Test E for eg. has a half life of approx 4-5 days (not 8 or 10 as some people think) so due to the half life rule it means you will not achieve a stable level in your system until the 5th half life as the injection that day will equal the amount lost in your system from previous injections.so for test E 5hl x 5 days = 25days..so on day 25 of your cycle of Test E the amount injected will equal the amount lost and you will have a stable level in your system.(as long you inject correctly with the half life rule)..so the kick in is only the amount of time it take for u to achieve stable levels..BUT..you will feel the effects of the other injections 48 hour after the injection as you will have the peak test in your system and it does not sit about waiting for stable levels before it decides to do its job, it starts doing it job straight away but u will get peaks and troughs in your levels until the 5th half life.
Where did you get info about 5 days half life for enanthate ester ?
Where did you read that serum concentration stabilizes after 5 half lifes ? Don't you confuse this formula with well-known fact that serum concentration drops below normal level after 5 half lifes.
Its basic Pharmcology its how all half life's are calculated in medical terms for this type of medication
Milligrams Remaining
Start *** (200mg injection cypionate or enanthate) 100%
End of 1st half-life 50.0% 50.0%
End of 2nd half-life 25% 75.0%
End of 3rd half-life 12.512.5% 87.5%
End of 4th half-life 6.25% 93.75%
End of 5th half-life*** 3.125% 96.87%
End of 6th half-life 1.56% 98.44%
End of 7th half-life 0.78% 99.22%
***Most Literature Uses this phase when calculating 1/2 lives for almost
ALL drugs. These types of drugs (1st order reactions) are a category of
drug metabolism that is very predictable. This is very convenient for
determining proper dose of T based on lab values and patient target ranges.
It is fair to say that 5 1/2 lives is the number of doses needed for any
given drug of this type (first order reactions) to reach “STEADY-STATE”.
it might be a broscience fact on the concentration of serum levels dropping at 5 half life's but as we all know with broscience its pure BS.
its info like your giving out which is how all MYTHS begin and misinformation is bad.
not going to argue with you as its a fact so no need argue with broscience. keep thinking as you wish and not maximize the cycles due to bad info.your choice not mine.
1) You did not answer nor gave link which states that enanthate ester half life is 5 weeks. ALL medical literature says it is 8-10 weeks
2) I know what half life is. No need to explain. Lets do some math and check you hypothesis about achieving steady level exactly after 5th week.
Lets say we pin 1000mg of drag weekly. Drug half life is 7 days for sake of simplicity.
week #1: 1000/2=500mg was cleaved and metabolized by the body. 500mg remained in esterefied form in the muscle
week #2: (1000+500)/2 = 750mg was cleaved and metabolized by the body. 750mg remained in esterefied form in the muscle
week #3: (1000+750)/2 = 875mg was cleaved and metabolized by the body. 875 remained in esterefied form in the muscle
week #4: (1000+875)/2 = 937mg was cleaved and metabolized by the body. 937mg remained in esterefied form in the muscle
week #5: (1000+875)/2 = 969mg was cleaved and metabolized by the body. 969mg remained in esterefied form in the muscle
week #6: (1000+969)/2 = 984mg was cleaved and metabolized by the body. 969mg remained in esterefied form in the muscle
As you can see week #5 is not much different from week #4 or week #6 in regard of amount of drug metabolized.
Now I will show why 5 half-time method is used in medical practice to make sure level falls beyond normal after drag administration discontinued.
week #-5: 1000mg remaining in esterified form. No new injections. 500mg cleaved and metabolized
week #-4: 500 remaining in esterified form. 250 cleaved and metabolized
week #-3: 250 remaining in esterified form. 125 cleaved and metabolized
week #-2: 125 remaining in esterified form. 75 cleaved and metabolized
week #-1: 75 remaining in esterified form. 37 cleaved and metabolized
75mg per week is low TRT dose. So when level drops bellow it we can safely say that out testosteron serum concentration has dropped lower than normal physiological level and we can start PCT.
see you proved my point..week 4 stable level achieved (5 half life's) not dropping like you stated.. so in trying to sound smart u totally disproved your own thoughts and proved i was right..amazing what you learn when you research and not listen to broscience yes?..glad i encouraged you to learn real facts an not listen to the gym monkey in ur local gym.
as to the point of pct that was never in the question so not sure why u mention it now..probably to make urself sound clever.
You have problem with reading comprehension ? Week 4 is 4 half-lifes (that is when we achieved relatively stable level, not week #5 like you claimed) and level dropped below normal after 5 half-lifes after DISCONTINUATION of drug.
BTW what about proof link saying that enanthate half life is 5 weeks ?
half life 5 days x 5 injections equals 25 days which equals 4 weeks lol...maybe maths not a strong point for you.
in your original statement you did not say it dropped after you stopped taking the drug as thats obvious (to some of us that is)
Here are quotes from my long post:
"Lets say we pin 1000mg of drag weekly. Drug half life is 7 days for sake of simplicity." As you can see I it was not 5 so you 5x5 math has nothing to do with what you replied to.
"Now I will show why 5 half-time method is used in medical practice to make sure level falls beyond normal after drag administration discontinued." - you don't know what drug discontinuation is ?
This is my last reply to you since you have problem with either reading or comprehending what you read.
this was your first quote which started this debate.
''Where did you read that serum concentration stabilizes after 5 half lifes ? Don't you confuse this formula with well-known fact that serum concentration drops below normal level after 5 half lifes.''
maybe you forgot u posted that one first..
Anyway..there is nothing to debate regards the stable level after 5 half life's as thats how its done, if you do not agree then write to the drug companies and the FDA and explain why they are wrong. I was just stating a fact not a theory.
have a great workout
i now consider this closed as you have hijacked the post to try to prove ur broscience is correct and FDA and drug companies are incorrect. have fun with that..out!
Yeah I would say you will know by things like, constant boner, skin more oily, backne, but once your levels stablize since its test E, you should mostly feel normal.
Your not going to feel ANYTHING from your first injection lol. Even when i was using dbol, i didnt feel the dbol until a week of using it. TestE has a long ester so not going to feel it until a few weeks. Its also way to early for any bloods. Im betting 99.9% your gear is not bunk like you think. Just wait. You were probably expecting an instant buzz or something as if its cocaine. This is not the case
Ye i never feel an increase in energy, as always i feel abit legargic, same as when im off cycle. I have how ever noticed an increase in libido, morning wood etc.
RomanbrandThat's the first sign I noticed when mine was kicking in, horny as hell, boners like crazy! Fat girls gained 2 points instantly lol Dime pieces were everywhere!!!!
Cocaine.. definitely. Test, after one injection.. maybe not.
tbh i never felt any increase in energy when im on test. i do notice increase in libido though
RomanbrandYou probably won't "feel" like your juicing for a few more weeks. I'm on a test E cycle and I was told that It wouldn't be working in your system for about two weeks and then approx 4 weeks before you even feel it. So I did a kick start with Test P. I know what you mean by feeling down, lazy, or demotivated though, you really just have to push through it.
I also got the "Roid Flu" when I first started, I wish I kept a better "log" of how I felt and when I felt it but it was in the first 1-3 weeks. A lot of it had to do with the knots the oils were leaving behind on me. They say you have "virgin" muscles and the body isn't used to finding an outside source for you testosterone so your body kinda rejects it or maybe doesn't absorb it as fast. I read that with high milligram concentrations (mind was Test E 300mg) that when you inject it, your body rapidly absorbs the oils and leaves behind the "powder" or medicine (test chemical) and it crystallizes in your muscle, your body eventually breaks it down though. At a certain body temp the body can melt it and absorb it.....
Anyway, I think this is what I was experiencing and I was getting sick as fuck! I thought I had the flu but I did not, it was really weird, but I was limping from my injection sites hurting like a mofo and sick as fuck. I eventually cut my dose with grape seed oil and never felt the PIP (post injection pain) and never got sick again.
I don't know if my rambling helped you or answered your questions at all but its 2:30am and I'm probably hallucinating because I'm sleep deprived lol. You should do some reading and research the products you are using to find out how long you should be on it, when it will kick in (feel it), when it will show up in your blood and for how long it will last in your blood. I would start here: http://www.eroids.com/search/google?cx=003041220577495892042%3Auxq9ob-yf...
Good luck brother!
Thanks for the info; it gives me some hope. Of course, I won't know anything until I get my blood tested tomorrow on whether the gear is legit or not (the source has a good rep, and I will write about the results when I get them). I also got soreness in my right quad, where I injected, which is to be expected the first time.
RomanbrandGood man, I really think your way to early on labs. You should wait a couple weeks for it to really get into your blood, your natural test should turn off and you'll have a good stable reading.
This might help too, I found it on here somewhere:
http://www.british-bodybuilding.co.uk/Half-Life.shtml
The labs are so I know I have legit gear (within 24-48 hours after injection, test levels peak). I might test again after several weeks to see how my body is doing (that test would involve checking estrogen levels as well).
With injecting the long estered test your levels will not peak in 24-48 hours. Wait a few more weeks before you get the blood work done. You will be greatly disappointed if you go get it now.
RomanbrandIf you ordered from a Top 10 source your gear 99% not bunk. I don't know where you got it from, you should post gear pic's, but I am sure you are fine. Good luck Frank!