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So I never used orals throughout my first few cycles when packing on all of my lean muscle tissue. Test, Deca, NPP and EQ all seemed to get the job done well. After getting to the point where I feel like orals could help me pack on that extra few pounds and give me some extra strength I decided to try them out at the beginning of my cycles. I was super pumped up because everybody talks about getting strong af and even though it may be water weight, they still pack on some pounds while taking them. So I started to try to utilize in my cycles.
First I kickstarted with DBOL @ 100mg a day and noticed ZERO difference with size & strength. But I started to make awesome results when the injectables started to kick in and the oral was out of the picture. Same exact thing happened with Anadrol the next cycle @ 100mg a day also.
And before you go on to say the orals were fake and garbage just keep in mind, the injectables were amazing from the same exact top rated source, and this seems to always be the trend for me. Great results on injectables and really no noticeable difference on orals. Only thing I notice with orals is 3 negatives no positives and that’s no appetite along with never ending nauseousness with gagging/coughing every single meal. ( 6 meals a day ) the second the I pull it out my appetite is back 2 days later. And coughing/throwing up is gone.
I’m 6’2 and 265 relatively lean, so maybe I’m past the point where I just put on 15 pounds from some DBOL or ADROL. Or maybe it is garbage? Just keep in mind this has happened every single time and from different sources as well so i just don’t see how that can be possible. Considering these results and effects have been extremely consistent throughout the years.
What are your thoughts on this situation?
Can anybody relate?
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BigCactusI just get lethargic on any oral I've tried except proviron so I tend to stay away from them. Lethargy and loss of appetite, both a no go for me.
Agreed. If you can’t eat, you won’t grow, so what’s the point?
Alphamale500Idk, but 100mg/day of Dbol and 100mg/day of Anadrol and zero difference in size and strength!! You're right, my first reaction is they must be fakes! But you said you got them from a reputable source, and their injectables were great right? And you also stated that this has happened with multiple sources, and every time you have the same lack of results from the orals right?
I think it's very possible and very likely that your body just isn't breaking these orals down and absorbing them efficiently. There's a supplement I use that I think may really help your body break down and absorb these orals much more efficiently. You can also try adding some probiotics to your diet, through food or by supplement.
The supplement I use is called Digestive Enzymes, and it contains;
-Pancreatin 4x (protease, amylase, lipase), 250mg
-Ox Bile Powder (45% cholic acid), 150mg
-Diastase (from barley malt), 80mg
-Papain (from Carica papaya), 30mg
-Cellulase (from Aspergillus niger), 20mg
-Bromelain (2400 GDU)(from pineapple), 10mg
-Betaine HCL, 5mg
This should really help your body break down and absorb any oral aas much more effectively. You'll notice that even in some protein powders, the manufacturer will add some of the same digestive enzymes listed above to aid in absorption.
There's also another supplement called Digestitol, which contains some of the same ingredients, but they also add Bioperine(Piper nigrum fruit)(standardized to min 95% piperine), 5mg. Bioperine is added to many health supplements that have a poor bioavailability rate, or just to increase absorption rates.
If your body just isn't absorbing these orals like it should, then adding the above supplement I mentioned should really help your body break the orals down and absorb them very efficiently. Btw, how and when do you take your orals? Like, with food and water, on an empty stomach, before bed, etc..??
Hey brother really appreciate the feedback. I’ll definitely give that supplement a go.
With the DBOL and all orals I’ve tired I do 50mg PWO (I train at 10AM) and then I would take the other 50mg before bed. (11PM) I know it’s not the most optimal for stable blood levels but it’s not the worst either. With the really shitty sides I actually tried (Which I don’t recommend) the whole dose right before bed to avoid all appetite issues. It did actually lower the appetite problems, but they still existed anyways and it wasn’t worth the thought of not stable levels. I did the 50MG/50MG for 5 weeks and the full dosage before bed was just 1 week. To inconvient overall, the whole point was just to kickstart while my Deca and EQ kicks in because we all know how long that takes. But at the end of the day I realized to just stay patient, the drugs start working quicker than most think anyways. But I’ll say I do still wish the orals worked well because it sounds pretty awesome.
Alphamale500I honestly think those digestive enzymes will really help your body break down and absorb the orals much more efficiently than your body is now. And you'll actually get to feel and see the results from the orals you use. With the Dbol having a half-life of 3-6 hours, imo you should try and dose it at least 4 times per day.
Rustyhooker100mg dbol and nothing? Junk. Unless youre a keto cruiser.
100% see why you would say that, but as I mentioned, orals have done nothing for me on pretty much every cycle. I am experiencing effects just only the typical oral negative effects, which shows that I mean the drug is in the my system. The second I pull them out my appetite is back. All top rated sources, that gave me me great injectables and the AI’s worked well too.
Also, have a buddy that took the same Dbol as me and he got great results. Same source same gear. Doesn’t really make sense, which is the reason for the post. One did mention down below that he gets nothing of 100mg dbol but gets a ton off 50mg adrol, so I’m not the only one.
RustyhookerComplete non responder then. Typically guys go to massive doses but got no carbs and blame the orals. Im a good responder apparently. Hit 5mg dbol squares pwo from top source and killed the gym. Trippy info sir...skip the orals.
100% agree. I grow the most when I’m at daily of 700g carbs, 350 protein, and 150g fat. All clean with cheat meal every Sat night after training. Every time I’m on any type of oral it makes me eating schedule complete hell. I actually end up making less progress because I puss out and skip a meal here and there.
RustyhookerYou might look into some good forums tgen. The magnifying glass up top.... makwa ....his forum on igf1-lr3 and catalyst did a good one on ghrp6.
Hgh, lr3 etc can expand on a simple cycle and hit other areas to spark growth. Then youre not stuck on bigger to keep it moving but basically balancing things out. Axis wise.
AnonThat is wild..dbol makes me feel like a moody bitch, but amazing at the same time..? I don't think I've seen anyone say they haven't had any change in size or strength..100mg is pretty decent dose! Biology is weird..at least you know what not to run now!
Yeah it was for sure disappointing not getting stronger when they say that DBOL and ADROL makes you strong as as hell. But the second that Deca kicks in next thing you know I’m squatting 405 for 20 reps ass to grass lol ... weird stuff because my buddy has taken the same orals as me and he gets strong as fuck and gains water weight but I don’t get much of anything. Same source same gear.
Like any compound, everyone responds differently. I am sorry your experience was shit, because I think orals can really benefit some people!
It is mind boggling that on 100mg dbol you saw nothing. Some people here get great results from 40-60mg.
I am glad you have figured this out for moving forward though! :). You considering using a different brand dbol or drol? Or maybe a different compound like superdrol or halo?
Yeah I agree man. Everybody’s different. Back in the day I remembered seeing a Rich Piana YouTube video where he said “ I never take Deca or EQ because that shit does absolutely NOTHING“ and I was thinking in my head shit man those are the best drugs in the world lol.
Yeah man staying away from orals at this point will save me money every cycle so that’ll be nice.
I’ve already tried 3 brands of dbol and 2 brands of adrol so I think I have my answer. Now I’ve never tried Halo or Superdrol. When I prep for my first show I’ll prob use Halo the last 2 weeks or so but I feel like their is no need for it rn, to harsh from what I’ve heard. And with Superdrol I’m considering it, maybe I’ll finally find something that works, just kinda scared to waste money again and why stress out my liver for shit that doesn’t work well for me anyways.
PcushionEverything isn’t for everybody man. What works for one may not work for another. This isn’t a unique situation. What is unique to each person are the hormones that our body likes. Tren doesn’t give me the side effects it does most people. I really don’t even get night sweats. Props for putting in the time to learn what works for you and what doesn’t.
Appreciate it man. And I can relate on the tren. I've never experienced any night sweats or any of the mental stuff. Gear has never changed my moods or behavior. My GF says that she can’t even tell when I’m on or off, which is always nice to hear. Everyone made Tren sound like it was going to ruin my relationships and make me go crazy, but it was quite the opposite. The funny part is I actually get drier and harder and stronger from Deca so I don’t even take tren anymore lol... go figure
Straight up. Its kind of funny, 4 weeks of dbol makes me an absolute mess mentally, but 4 and up weeks of Trenbolone makes me feel like a million bucks mentally.
Truly is a compound by compound basis per individual
PcushionYes sir it is. This little fact actually exposes a lot of wanna be trainers in the bodybuilding industry. They throw every compound they can find to their clients bc they don’t want to spend the time to see what really works for that person.
Orals have their place in this game. They are effective for some and not so much for others. Can't really say why they aren't working for you.
DBOL and ADROL you pack on shit weight and shit quality muscle. Maybe not while you’re on it but soon as you stop taking it 90% of it goes away. There I got it off my chest. Not to mention AI or not is an emotional rollercoaster. DBOL makes me cry even when my estrogen are in check and ADROL makes me very aggressive. It’s just not worth it to me. EQ is too weak and NPP is the same as Deca but a shorter acting compound. Which give me moon face. All the compounds you named to me are trash. Except for Test. Test is the only thing you mentioned that is good.
Then which compounds work best for you? You just crossed off like 5 lol
Winstrol, Anavar, Primo, HgH, Masteron, Tren, Priviron....Mostly my favorites. Yes you can bulk on them.
Possible that u're diabetic and have to use metformine or any other medication, cause as far as I know metformine makes oral steroids nearly ineffective.
And as Dobermann said, everyone is different, give me 100mg dbol and all I get is heartburn and appetite loss, give me 50mg drol/day and I gain 10lbs in the first week!
Hey brother sorry to jump In here,but was wonder if you would look at so.e blood rest i posted? Looking for some input, thanks.
I took a quick look at your bloods, try to fix your issues and bad values. A lot "red" on the paper, stay safe!
DobermannEveryone is diff bro.
Orals may work for some and wont work for others.
Anadrol works for me very good.same with dbol but they both wreck my lipids.orals have their place in comp prep and say powerlifting meets.first 4weeks i like them or inpulse drol 2 weeks on and off.
Say anavar is a must in a cut.cant get the hard look without it.
I do like them they give a certain look that injects cant achieve.