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Will run it like this:
325 mg test enanthate per week, weeks 1-16
300 deca per week, weeks 1-16
50 mg dbol injectable 3 times per week, weeks 1-6
Arimidex 0.5mg every other day, weeks 1-16
PCT:
Clomid 100 mg for 10 days, 50 mg for 20 days
Nolvadex 50 mg for 10 days, 25mg for 20 days

- K A P S I Z E -'s picture

ok, read through this thread and ill try to give some constructive criticism if i can.

first off: im assuming you want to bulk with the compound selection and obviously because you said you wish to gain 15lbs..

at 15% BF id say your more at the point to cut down rather than try to bulk. bulking iwht AAS is much more productive and you will see more lbm gain vs fat gain if you start at a lower bf% i try to recommend bulking at no higher than 10% (8% and below being optimal) the hormones will work more efficiantly the less fat you have on you and the less fat you have means the less likely you will run into estrogenic side effects (bloat, bp increase, ect.) so id suggust maybe re-evaluating your goals and try to shed some bf before you aim to add lbm.

second: as flash has said. your ratios are off, imo. unless you have extensive knowledge on 19-nors and DAs and have experimented wiuth different doses and you know how your body works and reacts to increased prolactin i would suggust upping the test dose. (2:1 ratio is the rule of thumb) peole have ran higher nandrolone to test but they know their bodys very well and know how to counteract the risks if they arise.

thridly: dbol 3x per week? ...no, if youre running dbol, it has a very short half life, multiple doses per day is preferred. tabs make that alot more feasable then inj dbol. 1x ED at the minimum, the compound being suspended in oil will slow the release somewhat but definately not enough to get away with only 3x/week. levels will be going haywire. and you most likely wont need 50mg, 30mg-40mg of tabs ED of good quality dbol is plenty imo. and beware, because of your bf% you will most likely experince a harsh spike in BP from the dbol.

fourthly: the decaonate ester takes much longer to clear the system than enanthate. make sure to run the test at least 2 weeks longer than the deca to ensure the nandrolone has cleared the system before going into pct.

fifthly: do you aromatize heavily? .5mg eod of arimidex seems like a pretty aggressive dose. might crash estro with that much, and crashed e2 is no fun. and id recommend getting aromasin because i HIGHLY recommend it during pct and it will save you the trouble from switching AIs. do NOT use arimidex during pct. you have to use a type1 suicide inhibitor or else you will experince estrogen rebound and risk lots of estro sides upon cessation if using arimidex.

have a DA on hand to combat prolactin sides if they arise. caber is my go to. prami is technically a better drug but most people cannot tolerate the side effects, myself included. caber is much easier. .5mg 2x/week should be plenty

pct seems ok, minus the absence of aromasin. id also recommend using hcg throughout the cycle because of the length and because of the use of nandrolone. (250iu 2x/week / 500iu eod last few weeks drop out a few days prior to starting pct)

my go to pct is clomid 100/100/50/50
toremifene (or nolvadex) 120/120/60/60 (or 40/40/20/20 if using nolva)
aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
this pct is a staple here, and cant go wrong.

just about covers everything. if you decide to take the advice and cut down first, i can direct you to a good way to go about dropping that excess bf.

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TheFlash85's picture

no, test deca ratio is way off, test needs to be ran longer than deca, remember half lives? enanthate vs decaonate? deca will still be in system when you finish pct, injectable dbol 3 times a week? wtf is that about? will do nothing, again half life?? deca @ 300mgs for 16 weeks is kind of a waste for gains vs sides and shut down.

obviously with this layout you know fuckall.

my advice, scrap entire cycle and research a decent dosed test only cycle with maybe some proviron with an ai on hand and proper pct.

trust me cycle is bunk and pointless.

Sepeti522's picture

I've done a similar cycle to that, except I ran NPP instead of DECA. But that being said

1st: do you have a Dopamine agonist on hand? Cabaser,prami, bromo? Do you know what they are and why you need them?

2nd: why would you run dbol only 3 times a week? If it's just because it is injectsble and fits in with your pinning schedule that's a big issue. Either tough it out and inject everyday or get some tabs and start at like 30 mg a day and assess from there. The goal is to continually keep your levels elevated so i don't think taking it only 3 times a week will cut it and your gains will not reach their full potential

3rd: I personally would bump up the test and DECA a bit. Reason for low dose?

With the arimidex, don't just set this schedule thinking you have to take it every other day, but go more by feel and as needed. When I ran this cycle (NPP instead of DECA though) I only needed adex while on dbol and was fine the rest of the cycle.
These compounds together offer the potential for fantastic gains, they just need to be ran right so I would just read up more and consider the dbol every day and upping test and DECA dose

Burleyhurley's picture

Thank you for some constructive criticism. I will prob scrap the dbol for now until I want to pin ed. Maybe run test at 500 to deca at 300 ew. This seems like a lose dose maybe to people but I have done several cycles with test/ deca and test/EQ at even lower doses and had great gains and no sides I couldn't handle. I see many differing opinions on these threads about pct and am confused about what to do there. I will read up on your 1st point about dopamine etc. I have read some on that but never done it. Feel free to explain if you wish. Thanks again for trying to be helpful.

Everyone else save it. Jeeez. Seems like you just sit at home on you PC just beating it and waiting to criticize someone who posts honest questions looking for help. Go get laid or something. Lol

TheFlash85's picture

go fuck ya self or something mouth on a twig......get too fuck.

Burleyhurley's picture

Haha! The comeback I'd never dreamt of

MedDx's picture

This post.should be moved to the cycle section....

freedom1981's picture

this should be delete it sir , and more research , because its a mess

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MedDx's picture

Deleted....for sure....agree

Faz's picture

Ratios are wrong
No prolactin control
Dbol 3 times a week? Why?
Starting ai too early and that bigger dose, u will crash ur estro.
Pct is wrong
20ml of eq isn't enough to do anything.

That's not said to be rude to you but I've given a few things for u to research yourself an come back with ideas yourself when you have read it all. Use the magnifying glass in the top right of your screen, everything you need is in there.

Burleyhurley's picture

Thanks

Faz's picture

No worries, people might come across as harsh but they are genuinely looking out for ur best interests. It's upto u but I would listen.

Burleyhurley's picture

Dbol is oil based injectable. 3 times a week or eod is what I was thinking. Just as to not have to stick ed

Faz's picture

If u don't want to pin everyday then don't use it, the idea is to raise ur levels then keep them consistent. 3 times a week will be like a roller coaster and just make things more difficult, increased chance of sides etc.

Burleyhurley's picture

How about this? I have plenty of test e, deca, dbol, arimidex, Clomid, nolvadex. And I have 20ml of EQ 200. How would you run it?

I am very experienced as far as working out etc.

I spend 8-9 quality gym hours per week.

I have done 6 cycles previously.

I am 39 years old, 212lbs, 14-16%ish bf
According to my pinchers ;-)

Goal: gain approx 15lbs after water weight drops off. Increase strength and size

Suggestions on how you would run a cycle if you had this gear

Burleyhurley's picture

This will be 6th cycle including a test only cycle when I was only 20 years old.

Burleyhurley's picture

I have done several cycles including EQ, deca, test, etc. have never had any problems. I am adding dbol to this and wondering about my pct mainly. Any thoughts that would be helpful without telling me I'm stupid ;-)

Pericu's picture

It's fine. We, ok, at least I won't call you stupid ;-)
How many are several?!
3 is still different to 7, you get the idea

Burleyhurley's picture

I am 5'10", 212 lbs
15% bf

Burleyhurley's picture

I have read many forums and notice there are always people on them that love to tell people how wrong they are and how stupid they are and tell them to do their research and such. I don't need that just some simple adjustments. This cycle is not that far off from a very common test deca cycle. Mainly I would like help with the PCT

Pericu's picture

Often, it has it's valid reason why people act that way. And you now jump from board to board until there's actually someone saying smt. like:
Great cycle man...do it that way?

You you only seek approval?

This cycle is not that far off from a very common test deca cycle. Mainly I would like help with the PCT

So why don't you stick to a Very common cycle then?

Burleyhurley's picture

And I may just stick to a common cycle. Just asking a question. Why not just say how you would change it? Or post a cycle you have done that could be a better option?

Pericu's picture

Why not just say how you would change it?

Will it lead to you understanding why it's dosage and done that way then? No.
I always suggest people in doing as much research as possible to not only know what you're supposed to do but also to understand the whys and mechanism behind the process.

I recommend reading those articles to already get a better understanding:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/creating-steroid...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/recommended-d...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-way

Btw. didn't we have a stacking guide somewhere?!

Burleyhurley's picture

First board I have ever written on actually.

IrishMack's picture

Need cycle history, training, and also post up a pic of yourself and make sure you cover your face. If you need assistance posting one let us know

Beltabuser's picture

So much wrong. Go back to the drawing board. Need your stats and prior cycles before helping you. Don't wanna even point out your probs. Spend some time reading the forums

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