posted Fri, 03/22/2013 - 10:18
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Newbie advice wanted
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Hey guys I'm looking into stepping into the roid world and I'm wondering whichone and how to take it? My goals are to gain lean mass. My current stats are I'm 27yrs old 6'2 320lbs not sure of BF%. I've been lifting for 2 yrs hard and have been lifting for 10yrs total. I've done powerlifting in past while in High school. I've done creatine and protein. Current bench is 335 squat 475 and deadlift 505. I'm looking for more of mass mayb 2 cycles and then cut prolly this time next year. Any and all advice is very much appreciated. Thanks!
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You have some solid info to work with here bro. I completely agree and think you should hold off on using anything until you get your BF% down more. You will be much happier that you did. I would switch the approach from power and mass and focus on bringing the weight down then you can build upon that with strength and muscle. Trying to put on mass at the same time as you are trying to lose weight doesnt really work. If you can get yourself to right around 15% BF then you can go with a test cycle to start off with. Get your diet and training in order and you will get where you want to be! It will only better you in the long run by being in tune with your body and how to get the foundation you are after without using anything good luck!
Whether your bulking or cutting test is always necessary and is what you need no matter what. It's all you need for a first cycle. Its all In the diet brotha. Like big papa said get below 20 before starting get diet in check 1st
Not trying to be rude but my guess is you are carrying around a serious amount of bodyfat. I personally would not jump off into steroids until you get your bodyfat under control. Get that in check first, like at least below 20%. If you weighed 250 then that would men you had roughly 50 lbs of fat, which is still super high. It would even be better if you were closer to 15%.
Hey man ya I'm carring some xtra weight for sure. I'm big but I wana b built big not just xtra fat tho. For now I'm looking for as much power n mass as possible then cut hard. Should I change my approach and cut now to lose body fat and go from there? Most ppl dnt believe my weight most mistake me for 270-280 til I step on scale. I've got some fat in my belly n legs but I'm not a butterball like it may sound. Thanks for advice and no offense taken man just want straight honest answers.
Yeah man I would get a bodyfat test done by someone who really knows how to give you an accurate one with a 7 or 9 point caliper test first. I am willing to bet you are above 20% just by your stats. Change your diet to clean eating and get well below 20% first. When you start taking gear and bulking you will want to be in a calorie surplus. If you are already over 20% bodyfat then you will be even way more out of control. Also estrogen side effects will be way harder to control as well
What bout doing a cutting cycle with winny first?
That's not the answer either. Winny will be bet suited when bodyfat levels are already extremely low. 3 months eating exactly what you're suppose to is the only way to drop your bodyfat levels low enough to where you will benefit risk/reward of AAS. I'm pretty confident you will be surprised of where your bodyfat levels are at now. I've never seen you, I'm just basing my opinion off your stats you posted. I know you are getting excited and want to run a cycle or two but you have to get your nutrition dialed in first. Try eating a 40/40/20 prot, carb, fat diet. 500-1000 calories a day deficit until you drop your bodyfat levels significantly. It will only take you a few months if done right. I would actually do that till fall and then go for lean mass in the winter when your bodyfat is 10-15%. You will benefit 100x better and your money will be well spent
+1 So true. No carbs after lunch unless from veggies lots of protien shit will come right off.
Right, but he is so big right now I'm sure he could have slow digesting carbs at every meal exept his last for the first 6-8 weeks. Then cut the carbs back at supper, then afternoon meal, etc. He will need to be on roughly 3500-4000 calories a day starting out. Then gradually drop them down when he starts stalling. No carbs after lunch will end up putting him way off the 40/40/20 ratio unless hes putting down 1.5 - 2 cups (75-100) carbs per meal startting with breakfast. Anywyas, remove the carbs gradually will be the best answer. 7 meals a day. Eaten every 2.5 hours. 50-60 grams carbs at the first 6 meals will be 1200-1440 calories from carbs. Roughly 50 grams lean protein at all 7 meals (1400 calories). Remainder of Calories come from good fats. 75-100 grams. This would be a greeat starting point. No, no, no sugars added
Thanks for the advice guys. I'm gonna work on my diet hardcore and get my bf down. In the meantime I'm taking creatine, amino fuel and myofusion. Shdl I get a diff protein such as isopure with no carbs for cutting my diet for now?
Just research basic nutrition and find out what works for you. A 40/40/20 will work for most of the population and get you down to optimal levels. When you start getting into the 4-6% bodyfat range you have to start doing some crazy stuff. Until then 40/40/20 or 50/30/20 will work fine
No. Research first. Go to the link I posted below and read it. One compound at a time.
Wardi77Are you really 320lbs with a 335bench, 475DL and 505 squat? Three hundred and twenty pounds bodyweight???
Ya man that's my weight. Squat is 475 and DL is 505. Looking to improve strength and body fat. I wana get huge before I try to cut. My numbers that bad???
Wardi77Na bro not at all. I was just making sure it wasnt a typo. You are a big dude brother, 6'2 320lbs
i must have transposed some numbers there... idk how i missed that...
Not bad for a natty bench with only two years.
A good, simple test enanthate cycle with a prop taper, good AI and proper PCT and recovery time is perfect for you bro.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/are-you-ready-...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/pre-cycle-protocol
Start here.
^^^^^ now thats a good place to start
Do yourself a favor and use the search option at the top of the screen. Search for 1st cycle and you will see what the pros suggest and trust me if you follow suggestions you will get all the help you need.