posted Tue, 04/10/2012 - 04:54
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More Tren than Test?
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Looking to recomp for the summer. Done numerous cycles through the years (college football). I have Tren Ace, Test Prop, D-Bol, and Anavar on hand.
I want to jump start the tren and test with 3 weeks of d-bol at 20mg ed. The question i have is: do i use more Tren and just add enough test to over come the "tren dick" issues?
seems i read different theories on this?
Thx- Mr D
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DarksideSixDrop the dbol for sure. I'm not too concerned with you BF if it's in mid teens. i've ran tren as high as 17-18%Bf and still had great results!
i always run Tren higher.....thats where the results are!
Test and Tren are both highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor but because Tren is 5 times stronger than test it will beat Test to the receptors so you could essentially run about 300mg of test and run the tren at a higher dose or you can continue to run your test at the higher dose and tren lower depending on what your goals are.
We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.
Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.
So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.
These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.
This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.
Thanks Dark, that makes alot of sense. I would rather have the effects of the tren to bind to the receptors than the test. I dont want to bloat at all. Im dropping the D-Bol, the question i have now is, i have anavar, would it be wasted at my BF%?i have 6 weeks worth @ 50mg ed. Should i add it to the very end of the cycle?
should i set it up like this:
Tren Ace 150eod wk 1-10
Test Prop 100eod wk 1-12
Anavar 50 ed wk 6-12
Aromasin .25 eod wk 1-12
Pct HCG/Clomid/Nolva/Aromsin 3 wks
DarksideSixThis is exactly how my cycle looks! spot on. just watch your diet, eat at maintnance or just below and by the end you will see some great results. I am recomping and i'm half way thru, just about to ad the Var and it's coming along great!
tread-mI'm with Vike here on maybe drop the dbol. First up these are short esters so you are not having to "kickstart" anything, the cycle is working in 6 hrs. Second the dbol will increase gyno probablilty 10 fold with high bf and then you throw the possibilty of prolactin in the mix with the 19 and the potential for the perfect storm occurs. Now in my case I don't have gyno issue via conversion and never had a prolactin issue on a 19 but thats just me . If you know yourself well then its different. I still after all this time bounce some low dose caber in on occasion and bounce aromasin in and out. If you go with the above I run aromasin at 12.5 through the dbol run plus one week with your bf and have caber on hand no exception. You don't wait and order caber after you can nurse kittens when their mommy met her fate in the hwy. As to your question on burning fat, var and tren work extreme wonders on people who have low bf and work way less on people with high bf. If bf is high you may get 5% of the benefit when compared to someone at 10 or under and maybe 30% on tren when compared to that persojn. Vikes point was you will have a much better cycle if dialed in a little better when you start it.
Tread thanks for the info, I've always wondered why, you are the first to explain it. I already ordered Aromasin from chemicalneed.com. I'll buy the letro and have it on hand. Sounds like I need to sideline the d-bol till I run my next Deca/Test E cycle next winter.
Concerned about the BF in your stats bro! you sure you dont want to nail that diet down a bit longer and hammer the cardio before you start this run?? d/bol is a no no at that BF and the var wont work either!.
It bounces from 13-15%, i did a tri-tren/test cyp cycle about 6 months ago. With diet and cardio and that, i drop 62 pounds. i eat clean, if the var and tren burns fat then why would it be used only on people with low body fat percentages? In my opinion, if i can have a restrictive diet and keep muscle with the tren, then it puts me where i need to be right?
Back in the day, we did lots of test susp and dbol to keep from popping pos on the drug screens, so i never got to play with Tren or Deca. I liked the recomp i got from the tri-tren, im just ready to step it up with a better cycle. i need to get the hydro test done to see what my true numbers are, the scale at home is where i pulled that BF number from.
Yeah bathroom scales are crap bro get the proper readings done then come back or PM me if you want one on one ok.
Thx bro! Will do