Mixing Esters for faster saturation
For context I want to add Masteron to my cycle once I get my doses of the other compounds fine-tuned. I have Mast E on hand and Mast P on the way. I’m thinking of taking 100mg mast p per week administered EOD and 150mg Mast E administered twice per week for a total of 250mg Mast per week for the first 3-4 weeks. By this time the Mast E should be nearing saturation and I could in theory just run the Mast E at 250mg per week for the rest of the cycle and adjust the dosage accordingly.
This approach should, in theory, allow me to feel the benefits of Mast quicker and then phase out the short ester as the long ester reaches saturation and finish with less pinning.
Is this theory solid? Have you guys done this with other compounds? Is there anything else I’m missing or failing to consider?
Thanks in advance, everyone.
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It’s a sound plan. Same principle as kick starting a test cycle with prop or deca with NPP. But in my opinion mast isn’t the kind of drug where it’s really beneficial to get it going fast, compared to like test or nandrolone which are primary muscle builders and you can squeeze some more out of your cycle if both compounds have reached peak levels in your blood in 7-10 days vs 4-6 weeks. If you want to do it you could start a little higher with the mast P the first week or two and taper down through week 4. Each week you’ll have higher levels of mast E and won’t need as much mast P.
How high would you run the mast p and what would the taper look like?
Your plan is to run 250mg of mast e right? Starting off at 50mg of mast P EOD is 175mg ew. You will have some mast E flowing in your blood even the first week or two so that with 175mg of mast P should get you up to a similar level. Drop it to 25mg eod the 3rd and 4th week. While it does take 4-5 weeks for enanthate to reach peak serum levels in your blood, it’s like 90% of the way there by about the 3 week mark. So you won’t need much mast p by then.
I highly doubt you are going to see significant returns in a two week period with this practice. Theoretically it does make sense but it’s not going to yield the results you think. I like the idea of short ester kicker or front loading if everything else is in flawless order, but with Mast? Maybe Test Prop.
I was thinking of doing both esters for 3-4 weeks then switching to enanthate only as levels would likely be peaked for that dosage by then. I don’t really expect any drastic results, just a slightly quicker time to full saturation of the starting dose. It is basically just a front load with a short ester partly to save a small amount of time and partly because it’s what I have access to right now with the shortage. Don’t wanna blow through all my Mast E and I found a good source for Mast P so I figured maybe I could stretch my supply a bit.
I was also curious about the concept of mixing short ester compounds with long ester compounds for “kick-starting” cycles in the future.
I guess front loading with a single ester is what most people do but it seems to me that if you can get the same effect of peaking levels quicker with less juice then what’s the harm of mixing esters? Idk if that question makes sense.
I totally get mixing esters, I do it often but not in that capacity unless it’s Test with Test P. Usually I like a Test E/C with a Tren A. You are always free to try and share the results of your experiments. In this case, I don’t think a Mast “kicker/front load” is going to work the way it’s being described. It seems like higher cost but low reward.
For all the time spent figuring out how to get a peak level of hormone in your system by incorporating a Propionate version during the first 2 weeks alongside enanthate, I would just start with a couple of higher doses of Mast Enanthate initially and then allow things to level off come the second and third weeks in. You are wanting to achieve a peak level quicker mate - BUT think about it this way, do you really think that having effectively 2 weeks more of Masteron in your system is going to make any real difference in how your physique looks - Honestly??? Ideally this sycle is going to be 16 weeks in length anyway so buying extra vials of Prop and giving yourself a headache over when optimal levels are going to be reached is honestly just a Newbies mindset of looking at things buddy. I see posts like this all the time because guys are wanting everything right now and the reality is you need to pace yourself mate
I was planning on running a mixture of prop and emanate for 3-4 weeks partly to get levels higher and partly to help conserve my enanthate. I can get prop but I have a trip coming up and I want to be on long esters by then so my pin dates match up so it’s partly to conserve the harder to find ester.
I really don’t expect any drastic difference in my physique to happen just because I reached peak levels a few days quicker.
This was partly an idea I had due to necessity of a shortage and the necessity of travel and general curiosity.
I hear of people front loading large doses of long esters to reach peak levels quicker and I also was thinking that maybe instead of using more gear, use different esters to achieve the same goal.
Yes, what your describing is basically a form of front loading. People use to, and still do, inject twice the amount the first week of the enanthate or longer ester to "front load." I think that front loading with a short ester is a much more effective approach if you're just looking to have the fastest blood levels. I do it almost every time I start a cycle. I would go a little over your desired weekly dose of enanthate with the prop and enanthate. So, if you're wanting 250mg a week enanthate, I would dose 200mg prop and 150mg enanthate the first 2 weeks for a total of 350mg. The prop will be active in your system in a couple days. The enanthate will take a couple weeks or so to fully level out but will still release some compound into your blood. The 200mg prop plus whatever enanthate is released should be relatively close to 250mg a week. After 2 weeks switch to full 250 enanthate and drop the prop. It is not a 100% smooth blood level of 250mg a week, but it is close and will give you the benefit of having the compound in your system faster from the propionate ester. You can do it a couple ways with the dosing but having the total dose between prop and enanthate a little over your desired weekly dose for the first 2 weeks will give you the closest desired blood levels. I am going to assume that Masteron is just one compound in your stack.
Yes, the mast is just one compound in my stack. I’m waiting to add it so I can get another one dialed in as I’ve never ran it before and I just want to deal with one variable at a time.
Your advice seems solid! Thanks for the input!
Ranger3252I don’t actually know what you’re expecting of dosing mast P at 100 mg per week. You need to pin 50 mg of mast prop per day. You could squeak by 50 mg eod, but your cycle makes zero sense and a waste of gold. When I say gold mast is extinct pretty much, unless you’re stocked up on mast like myself. When I run mast it’s either 600 mg of mast e a week or 350 mg of prop 50 mg a day. I really am dumbfounded by your approach.
I’m open to upping the mast p dose to 50mg ED. I have a supplier for mast p but mast e seems to be harder to find. I happen to have a fair amount of mast e on hand so by running mast p I can also conserve my mast e for a while to ensure that I’m running only mast e when I have to go on a trip coming up soon so my pin dates all match up. Don’t wanna try to travel with gear and supplies if I can avoid it and my current pin schedule happens to line up perfectly….and running a short ester compound would effectively throw a wrench in the mix.
This is really just a starter dose so I can adjust as needed so it jives with everything else. I doubt I’ll stay at 250mg per week for the entire run, but I also want to start low and go slow and adjust accordingly as there are compounds in my stack I’ve never ran before so I want to isolate my variables.
I was also curious if anyone used short esters to “kick-start” a cycle as opposed to a traditional front load or Dbol kickstart.
There's a whole bunch of bro doctors online at the moment that are suggesting low dose masteron with low dose test as some form of enhanced trt. Allegedly fixes your mood, sex drive, appearance, makes you live to 120 etc etc. I actually fell for it and tried it. Didn't do shit but waste a bottle of mast E very slowly haha.
Weird. You did wear your hat backwards, didn’t you? Pretty sure all bro docs advice is requisite on the reversal of one’s ball cap….
Yes I always flip my hat around when I try something new. If I see more than two ppl mention getting gainz from some unheard of thing I flip it and pin it.
I think Missy Elliot has a similar approach. She lays it down flips it and reverses it or something. If it works it works I guess.
Yeah dude you nailed it. We are basically the same person. Here's me.
Haha pounding milfs and blowing smurfs