posted Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:03
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Milk Thistle hurts gain????
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I heard it impedes gain by inhibiting function of the AR receptor. Can anybody confirm this?
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I heard it impedes gain by inhibiting function of the AR receptor. Can anybody confirm this?
Before I post I should mention I'm new... I did several cycles back in my 30's, but moved away from gear once I turned 40. I'm about to turn 50 and I feel like it's time again... sick of what's happening to my body as I approach 50. I'm stoked to be here, looking forward to the results I used to have, and the back and forth of this type of forum (even negative which usually make me laugh!).
I always used Milk Thistle with injections to help clean the liver. Blood tests always showed my liver was good, and I always had very good gains. I realize that's merely anecdotal, but over 5 years my liver stayed healthy. I don't know if it was coincidence or the thistle really helped... but if it ain't broke why fix it? I'll be on Milk Thistle again.
I've heard this so many times, I believe it effects orals only. Before I started injectables I used a lot of prohormones and that was a question asked a lot in the forums. If it worrys u than I would recommend liv 52 it contains no milk thistle. I do believe it hinders gains of oral steroids
I heard that it inhibits gains while using orals, due to the fact they are alpha alkylated and have to survive the first part through the liver, milk thistle somewhat creates almost a protective barrier around it and less of the chemical survives that pass, im not %100 on this its just what ive heard and read around the place, sort of sounds rite to me though!
AnonI have the pubmed links towards the bottom Milk Thisle is like grapefruit it increases absortion by mesing with some liver enzymes. And the Milk thistle has very little estrogenic binding and it only inhibits binding to the Prostate not muscle cells.
So it cant inhibits gains at all
Keep using it its an awsome liver protector
??? where did I say anything about it having anything to do with estrogenic binding or having anything to do with prostate?
milk thistle is used to protect the liver mate obviously. that's why doctors give it to people with chirrosis, hepatitis c, drug over doses, alcoholics etc, so what ever the link says below, like you said its an awesome liver protector???? exactly what I said!!!
AnonSorry i liked anwsered to u and the other guy comment into your box my bad.
But yea milk thistle wont decrease the absoprtion of any oral it will actually increase it. There are the links below expalining.
AnonDude you totally didnt read that article right. It inhibits the activity in the prostate cells never did it say in the muscle cells. It prevents inflammation of the prostate and inhibits cancer growth.
Yeah I didnt think it would inhibit muscle growth.
AnonYea cuz if that was true, everybody will be complaining about their gains while using Milk thistle.
One thing that is for sure Milk thistle does bind to estrogen related receptors and does elevate E2 BUT if your taking Ai your body has no other way to make E2, sometimes people dont think things as a whole.(im saying this cuz i saw other post bashing milk thistle about E2 elevations)
Muscleg33kthanks for the valuable opinion bro. +1
AnonNo doubt man ill post the Reference in a bit
AnonWooA i reread the study on selective estrgen recptors on Milk Thistle
It wasnt Milk thistle that cuased the elevated E2.
MT has only a mild affinity to these receptor so this should squash all other post stating the MT is an E2 raiser and that it shouldnt b taken all year long
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19577454/
Here is more explanation on what MT can do to you.. It can also work like Grapefruit in the way to absorb drugs like DBOL better in to you blood stream.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/138.html
SO Milk Thistle is the Shiznit unless you have heartburn problems or GI issue to begin with
spend the extra money and get tudca/udca. better then milk thistle and liv 52 put together.
zewiMilk Thistle does enhanced effects of estrogen in the body---Milk Thistle is not one that you run year round.. It should only be used when on AAS and doing an Oral start a week before--and keep on 2 weeks past your Oral. than drop it..
Liv 52 is the one you take year round.
I can assure you the help it does protecting your liver far out ways any minor impedes to your cycle. That shit could make the difference between having a long life or dieing waiting for a liver transplant. If you take orals then take it Period,end of story. It is that serious
Muscleg33kI take 175 mg of Milk thistle (one capsule) and 2 x Liv52 a day.. is this sufficient?
milk thistle should be taken 3 times a day You want it to keep levels peaked for maximum affects to protect your liver from orals.
It works great.When i take it my piss is clear as soon as i slack for a couple days it goes back to dark from the orals.
nah thats just a myth
Says it blocks at the prostate but not typical androgen receptors. Radd!