Low test shutdown
Hi guys,
Im 22 (profile says 21 but i do not like giving to much personal information over the net) im 5 10' around 170 pounds and not exactly sure on bf but i would be under 10% being a boxer.
I have been searching around the forums looking for an answer to a question i have but cant seem to find the answer. I recently went and had a blood test to check my test levels becasue i have virtualy no sex drive and have always had problems putting on muscle. My results came back in quite low for my age 411 free test and 23.5 test.
My question is being someone that naturaly produces low test would hormonal shutdown from a test only cycle be more or less of a chance then someone who has a more average test production?
I would like to take sometime off my training after my next fight to gain some real mass. I fully understand the problems that could arise from aas at my age and am not looking for answers saying i am to young and i am going to ruin the rest of my life, I would also be running a full PCT cycle.
I appreciate all your input,
Thank you
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bigtrainI test at 28 total but this is after years and years on AAS. Now I refuse to let them take my levels lol.
I feel good using what I do and that will be fine for me for now.
Before AAS, I was a big kid but have no clue where I was. I do know that doctors refused to help me because I didnt look like I had low T. They did the test, the morning test, the tests again, and said come back in a year.
Okay, I will. Juiced off of my ass, that is.
AnonRecovery is 'less likely' and more dependent upon thorough PCT and on cycle support for a user with naturally low T than a user with normal levels. I know plenty of naturally low T guys who have been cycling for years, most of them have sought a TRT/HRT doctor and are honest with them about their usage.
you WILL be shutdown during your cycle, I think the question you should be asking, is if recovery is more or less likely for someone with below avg test levels.
Yeah sorry that is what i mean
np, Alliance has a good answer for you up top.
23.5 is that UK (mnol) or US (ng/dl) because 23.5mnol is actually pretty good/average
23.5 mnol, i was of the understanding that free test is the important one
23.5mnol is around 700ng/dl which is pretty great. Both are important but its the total test which people use to determine if you have low T. Yours is almost double mine and we are the same age. You dont have low T
Well that sure is a good thing, sorry for you though mate.
So when it comes to the actual muscle building properties in test which measurement is the most important?
Vewi"My question is being someone that naturaly produces low test would hormonal shutdown from a test only cycle be more or less of a chance then someone who has a more average test production?"
It does not matter take AAS shuts you done regadless if you have low test or high test.
I didnt think the answer was going to be so black and white,
I keep hearing that it differs from person to person on shutdown and i think that natural production of test could be a possible variant on that theory?
VewiWhy do you people take TRT... So it can replace their low test.. Meaning it does the Job for the Testicals your testicals will stop producing LH--LH is what converts to Test in the body.,.
Once you start AAS you go over the natural production of what your body can do.. there for you are shut down, your body is no longer making Test. regardless..
Its all about things like Clomid, and Novadex during PCT that helps your body start producing natural test again. In fact doctors will put people on Novadex and Clomid before they even put them on TRT why you might ask
Clomid--Clomiphene works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone.
Novadex--also blocks estor in the chest--but it also helps your testicals make more LH
LH is what your body uses to make Test. Hope this helps.
Thats very interesting, you seem quite informed vewi thanks for your imput.
So would it be possible to use PCT drugs as a semi cycle?
Aas is the last option for me and another alternative would be great
VewiYes you can take something like novadex and clomid. for 4 weeks to see how that helps. take it every day for 4 weeks. like this.
Clomid 20/20/20/20
Novadex 10/10/10/10
and see how that goes if you feel your libido change, your on the right track you can always adjust, IMO adjust the novadex to 20 if you feel you need a little more to feel better
This might seem like a stupid question but do i need to do PCT after my "PCT" cycle or will i be back in balance after?
Vewino....
Clomid and Nova is what you take during a PCT if your were on AAS...
Doing Clomid and Nova right now will do nother but block some estor and produce more LH in your testicals which in turn will give your body more LH to convert to test.