+ 1 Letro good enough?
I have a question...I have a touch of gyno never had it before really til I started using EQ...
So for some background I'm 36 5'6" 192lbs, I'm maybe 12-14% bf, I train mon,tue,thurs,and fri..
Diet pretty well dialed in for now 6 meals a day 50g pro, 50g carb per meal and only 15g fat a day for now...when I get the look I want I will go to a double carb day every 5 day and bring fat up to 30g per day..
I'm not a pro by any means but not a beginner either been in a few bb shows taken 2nd twice and 4th once...
Just trying to give decent background for my question.
So my current cycle is test-c 875mg a week, EQ at 725mg per week...
I take a 2.5 tab of Letro twice a week but still have just a touch of gyno(like I said never had gyno before EQ)
So do I up my Letro or leave it where it is and add either clomid or toremifene citrate (I have both in my research lab) if so how much and which one....
Part of the reason I ask is I'm going to add in Anadrol to my research at 50mg twice a day for 4-7 weeks....this is my first run with an oral and I've read that drol can cause gyno too....
I'll keep doing my checking around but am interested in any input you guys might have
Thanks
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I would start at 1.25 eod for two weeks. If that doesn't do it then go to every day. I have had to reverse gyno using letro and this was the regiment I had to use. I ran adex the first half if the cycle and it was working but I didn't feel it was aggressive enough so I switched it to letro. Remember it takes a about a week before it starts to take effect and about three for full effect. By taking the doses closer together you raise the plasma level to a more steady state. The half life is only about 3 days so twice a week will not cut it at this point.
AnonMaybe you could throw in some adex to prevent the test converting in the first place..
That will never work. Makes too much sense lol.
AnonWell without adjusting anything else in the cycle i think adex would be the best added extra?! Aromasin will only do what the letro isnt doing and seeing as letro is stronger than aromasin i cant see the point in that :/ and using adex + letro will dry him right up! If the gyno gets worse the letros bunk !? Am i right?! Im no pro bro i just try to help where i can
roughneck12X2 bro,letro IMO is on hand for if e2 shoots up after a-dex or aro fails you ,even after increasing them. Letro with 2.5 mg 2 x a week in most will almost crash e2 to wear you can rethink your a-dex ,aro adjustment and take e2 back in control.
Good info. He's definitely gonna need to get on an AI after he gets the gyno under control and gets off the letro
AnonTry more frequent dosing, preferably ED dosing.
I suggest you switch to adex or aromasin. Letro is strong and if you're getting gyno then your letro could be bunk.
For gyno reversal I suggest 2.5mg letro ED until it shrinks up. If it doesn't shrink after 30-40 days then you're looking at surgery to have it removed.
Like SDM said, drol converts to estrogen so I would NOT take it if you are having gyno issues.
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Take a look at this link. Its an on cycle protocol for gyno controll using letro.
http://www.basskilleronline.com/gynoprevention.shtml
I would leave the anadrol alone. It's just gonna complicate things that much further. You really should be running either aromasin or adex as your AI. Letro is mainly for when you have an issue, which you do, because it cuts down roughly 98-99% of the estrogen in your body. That's too much under normal conditions. After you get the gyno under control, you'll need to switch over to adex or aromasin for the duration of your cycle.
thats exactly what i needed to know, sweet
If you've already got done gyno going on, I'd suggest leaving the Anadrol for another day, likely to make things worse.
You can up your letro dose, may get done sides from it but will hopefully help reduce the lump(s).