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+ 1 Is It Possible To Naturally Maintain Gains If You Only Run One Cycle Ever?

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The title is a pretty good tl;dr here, but I'll give a bit more backstory. I am looking to do one cycle to bulk then try to keep whatever gains naturally, indefinitely. I don't really have a need to be super huge, I am no athlete. I'm scientist by trade and nature enthusiast when I am not working . I am in my 30's, recently started going back to the gym after 7-8 years off. I make it to the gym like 3 times a week, but I definitely don't love it like I bet most of you do. Even after doubling my calorie intake to 3200 and adding an extra day, I am just really not putting on any weight. It was much easier putting on weight in my youth.

I was planning on taking 10 week of 500mg Test E, and possibly 5 weeks of TBol to kickstart it, proper PCT at the end. Commit to 5-6 days of strength training + a day of cardio a week. 4000+ calories a day. Do this for a 180 days taking the gear at the beginning of it. Then slowly transitioning back into my 3 days a week. So my question to all you experience folks is it possibly to keep those gains? Is this a silly endeavor, and in order to keep your gains you need to keep doing cycles?

patb's picture

You will keep all muslcles within your natural limit if you train/eat properly.

Bulkdaddy's picture

No it’s not possible. You will not look the same like you do on cycle. It’s impossible and your body doesn’t naturally produce test e and Tren or any other anabolic. Nor does it produce the high test levels that these anabolics cause. Will you keep the gains. You will keep some Gains. It all depends how you recover as well.

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Bill1976's picture

I was natural until two years ago. When I hit 40 I couldn’t even keep my natural gains. Guess I’m getting old. This is why I like the gear. Makes me feel and look younger. I’m happy.

Eagles 2013's picture

In theory, yes it is. But in your case I wouldn't recommend it. At the absolute minimum you would have to diet and train hard enough to maintain the gains you put on during the cycle naturally.

Another huge problem here is that you won't gain anything other than water and possibly gyno while on cycle unless you know enough about diet and training to achieve your target goals naturally.

What you really need to do - and this is at a bare minimum- is naturally gain the amount of lean muscle mass you hope to gain on cycle to prove to yourself that you have the knowledge and determination to make real gains on cycle and maintain them after.

Then be sure you are comfortable of the risk of being infertile, with gyno and taking testosterone shots at least once a week for the rest of your life. Yes, that is a rather extreme case from one test cycle but it is extremely possible.

Point being, juice amplifies the results of good diet and training but it's as useless as injecting peanut oil without it.

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Eagles 2013's picture

Ok, so based on that study it's possible to gain a marginal amount of size and strength bu juicing and not training. It doesn't say shit about keeping any of it when you come off and have low test levels initially and assuming a full recovery maintaing any of it without superhuman test levels. What's the point in running gear if you don't maintain the gains post cycle?

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Eagles 2013's picture

Still, young /inexperienced/uneducated users reading posts like that are likely to take it to heart and make bad decisions based off of it. This is a safety first forum that is also big on education. Unless your posting about educating yourself on proper diet and training and mastering them prior to using gear and then continuing to practice them on and off cycle you don't need to be posting about it. Especially in the comment section of a post looking for a co-sign on a really bad idea that I am sure numerous young, inexperienced individual lurking on here are considering doing. That's why you got down voted. Doesn't matter if it was just a joke.

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Eagles 2013's picture

The ONLY part of your post that someone who really wants to do your will retain is...

"It has been proven that even without working out you will gain some muscle while on steroids."

We REALLY try to discourage that line of thought around here.

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Eagles 2013's picture

It's all good bro. Your still new here and learning the ropes.

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House's picture

You don't love to lift!!

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johnmarshall12's picture

At 5'8 145 pounds you should probably try to make some natty gains first. Contrary to what a lot are saying keeping gains depends on a lot of factors. How much you gain, really good PCT. Even then you will only keep a percentage of the gains. It is impossible to keep it all.

Frank_y's picture

An diet. Don't forget about the diet.

If he got massive while cycling he can keep most of the gains for around 6 months if the diet is correct. He won´t look 3D, he will look much softer, he wont look anywhere close as he did on cycle but he will still have the muscle tissue. Its like being in a hibernating mode.

Blaaahdk's picture

I Also Think genetics would play a role . The bigger guys tend to hold on to alot more than a guy smaller to begin with . Myself being an example there

Bulkdaddy's picture

I’ve been eating 2 cheeseburgers everyday for lunch

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Bearded_muscle's picture

Yes it’s a silly endeavor.

No you won’t keep your gains.

Here’s the thing, your first cycle is basically you learning about side effects and how your body handles androgens and how to pin properly. IMO you shouldn’t expect much. Can you make crazy gains? Sure, compared to natty, but I wouldn’t expect you to really transform. I though I would and I was definitely disappointed. Steroids are not a one and done thing and the risk to your HPTA isn’t worth it.

Try posting a self pic, let’s see where you’re at.

addicted.to.pain's picture

your getting all kinds of good info spoon fed to you bro, and to answer your question in my opinion no you will not keep the gains .

DfromPhilly's picture

Great post +2

Jayzgainz's picture

I'd be willing to bet if you did that training regiment and added boku good calories you would see the change you're looking for and would be more likely to keep it long term. If after you do this your still looking to gain then talk about running gear.

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DfromPhilly's picture

Hey! What’s up buddy. Long time no see

Jayzgainz's picture

Living the dream bro. I've been around, lurking in the shadows. Just haven't had much to say

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Hitman1992's picture

If you don’t love being in gym there’s no need to do a cycle
If I don’t like it I don’t do period
Let’s go back to your post
I would start with blood test
If you have training before and now going back to training there’s something called muscle memory that will speed things up
To keep most of your gain from the cycle
1- you have to be in good body before starting the cycle
2- depends on how you’re training and dieting
My advice to you don’t do a cycle and follow a good diet and training and at least train 5 times a week
Good luck to you

House's picture

X 2 I don't love her but I'm going to marry her anyway!!

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Hitman1992's picture

Hahahahaha I know right lmao

GreatSpear's picture

Or just try 4000+ calories per day and hitting the gym 5 days a week and see how that goes.

Blaaahdk's picture

Hate to break it to ya but your genetics might Fuck you over ass is not magic and takes years of sacrifce and dedication you need a base to build on other wise youll maybe look Good for say a month or 2 after cycle stops and Then youll be back to square one having wasted Money and time

DfromPhilly's picture

ass is not magic

I dunno man I think I might have to disagree there. I’ve done some pretty stupid shit for ass. Magic is the only logical explanation.

Blaaahdk's picture

Lol

Greg's picture

I'm going to do something I don't often do. I'm going to help you find more time to get to the gym... maybe rethink your priorities.

Bearded_muscle's picture

Lol I see what you did there.

Bearded_muscle's picture

Anyone who says they don’t have time is just prioritizing differently. We all got 24 hrs.

Zalewski's picture

bbbbbbut rooooooooids

Zalewski's picture

You can keep a lot of muscle tissue but you wont look as full as being on. Also you will probably lose some tissue and strength but if you truly do an amazing pct, keep up the diet perfectly, continue to train intensely every session, and get great sleep then yeah probably. That's if you keep up with the training and diet to an expert level. Also odds are you'll probably wanna jump back on cause you'll miss it.