Infection from Injection?
I just started my second cycle of Test P and NPP. I've been pinning 150mg/1.5ml of each with a 30G 0.75 in. (1.9cm) needle - I don't have much fat on my legs.
I've only pinned three times now, once in my left quad, once my right quad, and once in my left glute (using 25G 1.5in (3.8cm) needle). The first pin was in my right quad. The second was in my left quad. It takes me around 3 to 4 minutes to get everything in, I heat up the oils under running hot water from the sink prior to pinning.
The first pin in my right quad left my leg in pain but I understand that is common for short esters. The pain went completely away after two days.
The second pin in my left quad left my leg in pain leg as well. But after a day there is also a red bump about 6in (15.24cm) below the injection location (right above my knee cap). The bump is red and tender when touched. The pain around injection site went away after two days. The red bump is still there after 4 days and is still tender but seems like its gotten smaller and not as tender.
Prior to drawing the oils I wiped the top of the viles with a new package of alcohol pad. I draw both oils into one syringe. I toss the drawing syringe away after because its a 20G one. Prior to pinning, I wipe the injection area with another alcohol pad. After the pinning I do a quick run over with the alcohol pad again.
Does anyone know if the red bump is a symptom of infection from the injection? Or if this is common? Much appreciated.
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My last npp run had to stop the npp about 3 weeks in , was leaving me crippled in pain for days. I was even mixing with my test cyp. Threw it right in the garbage. A lot of these ugl 's use extra BA when brewing , could have been that but wasn't taking a chance. Good luck
3cc's a pop with slin pin, I would expect you to have issues. I would suggest you keep the volume to each pin spot below 2cc (1cc if delt) and go to at least a 25g 1". If you are hellbent on injecting 3cc a pop then you need to bury it deep and go with a 1.5". Pretty much limited to glutes then. Might even need to go to a 23g trying to push that much oil or that pin will be sitting in you a long time to get all the oil out. The longer it sits in you the more it wiggles and help to cause pip and scar tissue. Best practice is to limit the amount of oil in each pin and spread out to multiple sites if needed and follow Rusty's pip forum post.
I had horrile pip recently that sounded similar to this. It ended up going away after about a week but was red, warm, sore, knotted all the good stuff. Sounds like you're heading in the right direction but I found to mark the edges of the red area to tell if its spreading. Monitor your temp. Have some antibiotics on hand. The type that will help in this situation. I use my wifes heat pad to help reduce the knot. Anyway hope things are better moving forward
Thanks man! It was red and sore/tender. It didn't get very big. It is pretty much gone now. Although I still haven't pin point the source of it. I can only feel a little bit of pain when I press down hard. I like the idea of marking the edges to make sure it doesn't spread. I forgot about that simple technique, did that once for an insect bite. Will keep that in mind the next time (hopefully no next time) it comes up again.
Never inject in your thighs. That's my rule. Its only a matter of time before something go haywire when injecting that location.
RustyhookerGood thing thats....bro-science.....
No practical IM injection spot , and notice I'm not mentioning calves, has more potential pitfalls when injecting than the quadriceps. The most practical of course, being glutes. Not being a pro nor a daily injector. Why even risk? As, there is no denser muscle, with more veins, and nerve ending than the quadriceps. That's not just bro-science bro, that's fact.
RustyhookerWas making a play on words. But since it caught your panties in the buns....
The quads in medical practice and outside the dr office is about the easiest spot to reach and pin. Up to 5cc can fit in the quads easily but I'd never suggest more than 2.
The biggest problem with quads is inexperienced people rambling on over their issues in learning. There's also no muscle group in the human body as large.
Spot injection.com as well as tons of videos and other medical sites can be found easily. The prep prior to pinning is recommended. Its also the inexperienced folks that dont find the proper spots on the quad. Example..... spotinjection.com says to hit the outer sweep, closer to the hams. For me thats a huge error!! I clearly outlined that issue in my forums. But pinning along the length of the outer quad seated, and at the 1pm position gives me 4 separate pin spots of comfort in just 1 of the 4 muscles.
So after you're done panty pulling and fact fictioning, have a goddamn laugh once in a while. Your typical parrot advice is sketchy at best.
Oh..... LOL.... now I'm politically correct. Have a sweet day
funny you should say that,Ive been seeing an MD and he has e pinning hcg eod.In the quads.Ive pretty much always pinned quads.Glutes too hard to reach,never liked delts,but do like bicep.Quads mainly though.
RustyhookerI've been too chicken to pin biceps and pecs. Lol! Tris, delts, quads, ventros i get help with. My buddy likes hams. Havent tried that yet either
i just wont do calves or abs but dont do delts either though I have.You should try biceps,its actually very easy,painless and expands peak.Not that my biceps are big.Probably one of my worst parts,but have gotten larger since the pinning.
RustyhookerDefinitely need that taller peak. My bis are rounder like a baseball sized deal. Peak is the icing thats needed.
You slin pin yours?
Nope.I it doesn't sound fun but I go with a one inch 23g.Ive recently use a 3/4 inch 25 g but don't feel it goes deep enough.I learned my technique on the website you posted.Spotinjection.For some it's too much but I just ball it up and pin in the upper outer head,while flexed.
RustyhookerI need to quit being a baby and just do it. Lol
Who wears panties anymore? Its banana hammock all day. Time to feed the parrot....
RustyhookerHaaaaaa!!!!! I lost my coffee on that one!!! Best reply in a long time!
Thanks for that disturbing image.
RustyhookerRed spot smaller for sure? If so sounds like some oil got subq and settled.
Heating under splashing water.... not good at all. Get one of those rice neck warmers. 60 seconds in microwave and wrap gear. In classes, that tap water is filthy.
20ga draw pin ruins stoppers. Add in dirty splash tap water..... use 23 .
Thats too much oil for slin pin shots. Get a 25 x 1. You're gonna have lots of subq issues with that much oil.
3cc each pin... imo too much. Pin ed with 10 points of pinning.
Basically....just read my pip forum....
Age: 38...Height: 5'8"....Weight: 170....BF:
Whats your bf and goals? Priors? You're kinda light
Pretty easy to get subq oil with a slin pin, usually only happens to me if I go over 1ml. Only place I can do it is my delts. Can't get it deep enough anywhere else.
RustyhookerI slin pin all over quads but just like you, smaller than a cc. Currently its 4 10ths for simple 40mg
Small bits like that i can get away with pretty much anywhere. Under a 1/2 cc in quads I am fine but over that and I start getting lumps from it building up subq. Delts is only place I can get away with putting a ml into. I carry to much fat in my legs.
No small red spots. It looks kind of like if you were to press down on your thighs with your hand and then let go, there is that area that your hand pressed down onto is red. Except it is a little raised and tender.
I think it might be too much oil in one spot as well. It weird that it happened on one leg but not the other. I am going to try to break up the shots.
Thanks for the input!
RustyhookerGood thing you partook in everything i posted. I love wasting 10 minutes for a 'whatever'. Smh....
Whatever.
It shouldn’t take 4 minutes to get the oil in your thigh. If you aspirate the syringe to fat it will form an air pocket that makes it difficult to inject. Just pull back very slightly. If your thin you may only need a 1 inch. If your unsure trash the gear. Better safe than sorry.
Rustyhooker30ga slin pin takes a long time
I missed that.
RustyhookerTeamwork bro. I miss things as well.
Beauty of the site. I’m still learning things weekly...
Shit takes a long time even with mct oil!
Yeah it takes an extra minute or two and requires more pressure on the plunger but I don't mind. As long as there is no adverse effect from the extra time. Also I bought a pack of it so I want to use it all.
I intentionally take my time. Its usually more like 3 minutes. I pause and take breathes since I am getting used to the mental part of pinning myself.
Can the amount of time it takes, incorrect aspiration, or need length cause the red bump? That is my main concern.