posted Mon, 09/09/2013 - 15:18
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I dont want to go off. Im having a hard time. Need a long break.
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I have it planned to go off in October but its going to be tough. I been on since March. I was on tren and test cyp now on winny,cyp and anavar. I gotta stop but its hard. I have been using a high quality milk thistle 3 times a day. I don't believe my doses were high enough to do any harm but the length of time is too long. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there just like me. Its tough to come off.
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Milk Thistle? Dude, After reading that 95% of BB think milk thistle is garbage, I did a lot of research on it as I already bought it for my 1st cycle. Dude, the only hard study I can find is that Milk thistle has been proven to protect the liver only with acetiminophen (Tylenol) and thats it. They also said it could negate or interfere or worse...make a 3rd compound out of whatever drug you are trying to negate! So I used myself as a lab rat for weeks and found that my back pain has gotten much worse while on the same dosage of tylenol and also serios opiate painkillers and also it stopped my insomnia pills from working. Do you really want to take the chance its going to negate the gear in any way you are putting in your body. I threw that crap in the garbage and Ive been on it for 6 weeks and couldnt understand why my pain and sleep disorder was getting worse. ANYONE CAN TELL ME ITS b.s. BUT if it messed up my life so I couldnt function properly for the last 4 weeks and ive only been on the thistle for 6 weeks yet on these painkillers and sleep aids(ambien) for years..........anyone of you who think its bs, then be the lab rat and take some thistle for 2 weeks and then try taking another drug with it. No actually don't do that!!! After what I just read 'and" experienced Id be afraid you would be 6 feet under if you were on too many different compounds. I cant believe some herb called "milk thistle" has been the most dangerous thing Ive been adding to my body in my life! I should post this as a separate thread also.Now I just found a link saying milk thistle may increase your estrogen levels. Huh???? This aint going in my body anymore. And now I am finding all kinds of scary stuff after googling"DANGERS OF MILK THISTLE." Its incredible! LINKS BELOW!
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/milk-thistle-benefits-and-side-effects
http://www.pbiv.com/articles/milkthistle.html
im taking that shit right now! lol thanks for the info
Im glad to hear you are going to do the right thing,, its not wise to be over 30 on some crazy long cycle, I understand getting off is awful everyone hates it.. no one wanna get off but we know we have to.. so enjoy the break over the winter and learn from your mistake bro
dont be embarrassed bro, im sure WAAY more of us than will ever readily admit have stayed on way too long and/or went back on way too soon, myself absolutely included. i came off my first cycle and 2 weeks post pct went right back on, this time for 5 solid months. well, i paid for it thats for damn sure, pct still hasnt brought me back yet entirely ... i dont know for sure but i'll he gettng bloods done in another month or so to see where im at.
ive been off for a little over 3 months now includng pct, its not so bad man. an aggressive pct is definitly on order, carlosdanger is a pct guru so your best best would be to pm him and he'll get you squared away, judgement free too.
i agree carlosdanger is the man to help you out. but mike is right. myself included have excessive cycles, im not proud to admit but i have. dont be embarrassed just learn from it. every singe person here has learned something through trial and error. some errors worse than others but none the less weve all made a mistake.
im actually impressed that you've admitted it and feel remorse for it.
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Mike1982Don't be embarrassed just learn from it. Tren on a first cycle is the definition of NO. So know you know and can grow from it. Yes my friend, get off now and get you some sort of ancillary to help with the inevitable crash. You need to please educate yourself before you get on anything else. Please. For your own good not ours. I completely understand diving in without knowing what you are doing. Most of us have started that way and nobody should knock you for that, we should do our part to help educate you. So don't bounce from the site, let us help you. first off get off and get your body back to its natural state. Then let's get you some research so you can make a good choice when you do, and if you do, decide to get back on.
Im too embarrassed I gotta go. I will get off and get my blood done.
Yeah get those bloods ASAP! You absolutely need to know where you're at. I'm not on trt so someone in the know hopefully will chime in and lay some knowledge on you. I'm not sure if you need a PCT when your on trt. I'd go over to the over 40 on trt threads and ask some questions. Good luck bro I have to admit I'm a little worried about you! Wow 8 months!!!
Here's his stats:
Age: 35
Height: 220
Weight: 6'2
BF: 6-8%
Wow bro that is not a good idea at all. You may have seriously messed yourself up! You might be looking at trt for life. If you haven't had bloods done you need to now so you can get an idea of where your liver and kidneys are at. Do you have a PCT plan?
Yes and I was already on trt. I better get my bloodwork done. I hadn't been on in 6 years then I went on and having a hard time to stop although I have slowed down to a milder dosage and haven't overdone the Alpha Alkylated hormones. I have a pct plan yes.
This is a very bland statement Ur cycling wat and for 8 dam months wow!!! U should just get off now, i'm not trying to be rude but that is a no no. What is Ur cycle history?
I was on tren and test for 12 weeks. Now after that I went on winny and test and anavar. I gotta go off soon.
first off stats, age, history, cycle, weight, body fat, experience. but if you been on for 8 months prepare for a great deal of negative responses from members.
Mike1982What are you going off off and what have you been on since march? I hope you haven't been on cycle since march. Fill us in, the topic is too general.
yes I have. I gotta get off now
Man just ease off that shit slow. i have been on that long before. happens before you know it, body keeps getting better looking and its hard to stop the progress. Id immediatly just cut back to 1 ml of cyp once a week for a couple weeks, then a 1/2 a couple weeks. See where your at then. your not 50 years old your body will bounce back