posted Sat, 12/12/2015 - 17:20
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High dose gear
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So seems like once one lab starts labeling their stuff 400 or 500 mg/ml everyone does it. All thes labs claiming these type of doses are full of shit. Thers is a lab i spoke with selling test cypionate at 400mg/ml i emailed them asking what was carrier and chemical percentages. They replied gso less than 2% ba and 18%bb COME ON MAN. Anyone who has worked with cyp knows it is simply not possible to suspend at that high a doseage period let alone with gso and less than 2%ba. Use your head guys you are being ripped off.
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why people even buy this supposed "high dose gear" is beyond me, smh. why? just buy the lowest mg/ml you can and shoot twice as much oil.... duh. if i want 500mg in 1 shot, ill just crack 2 amps of real pharma grade test. shooting 3cc is nothing. 4cc 5cc just split the inj bi-laterally and do site injections deep in the muscle belly into the bodypart before training and you get that fst-7, car jack effect. for anyone who "knows" a chef and has hands on experience knows all too well. one, to get anything to hold at levels above around 300mg/ml EO and/or guaiacol has to be present. the higher you go, the higher these two solvents need to be. and for what!? more harmful solvents, more painful injections? all in the name of reducing oil volume!? its retarded imo. the more these noobs keep questing after this high mg/ml stuff like its a damn unicorn the more real pharma grade gear is left over for me, so keep buying it up lol
bigurielOne big plus for high dosed gear is the price. Because the steroid itself is only a small part of the cost of producting an injectable preparation, one vial at 500mg/ml costs a lot less than two vials at 250mg/ml.
Sometimes people around here like to talk as though cost shouldn't be an issue, but those people are either absolutely loaded or not thinking straight. Cost is always an issue, and most people must agree with me otherwise everyone would just cycle a gram of primo pw and 100mg of var ed and get great gains with minimal sides.
true, but you can take it one step further.. the cost of running primo and var at those doses would cost less than what many people spend on normal gear, that is if it doesnt come prepared for you, hint hint. but 12-18$ for primo amps are only for highrollers i agree. but in the end, id trust a vial of test E at 250mg/ml that its closer to that number than a vial advertised at 400, 500 whatever it may say. and the cost of vials, oil, solvents ect. are miniscule for many of these ugs because they buy in bulk and theyre dirt cheap even if not buying in bulk. the only thing i can really see being too much of an investment is pharma primo amps and pharma grade var. other than that, everything is very reasonable when compared to the prices of whey, supps, food, gym bill ect. ...years ago smoking an 1/8th a day was easy and that was $35 back then. and i didnt even work when i was a teenager smoking bud.. if theres a will, theres a way lol
Kapsize I have to say that is on the money.
There are a couple solvents, very hard to get that you can avoid the guiac. or eo in some cases, liek Trens, cys at reasonable doses per ml and such
However you start talking hard to hold compounds like cyp at 250+ and very high dose tren and certain things then you are going to have to run a min. tiny % of guiac. and or eo. Now can you keep those low with excellent procedures, yes. If you can npt access the few other big phrarma solvents to avoid those two completely then that is just how it is.
In those I mean reasonable does cyp 250 or so, Tren at 100'ish , and so on.
As far as the basics like Test Enan and going 500+ mg or even more. I am right there with you, just inject more at a normal 250mg dose, avoid any major inject issues, and carry on.
agreed. ive looked into some of those very exotic solvents like phenyl salicylate, but they are hard to source unless you are representing a chem company or university. cyp is a difficult compound to work with, as is tren. tren not so much in mg/ml but keeping the solution at a high enough temp to dissolve but low enough to avoid oxidation. 250+ on cyp just isnt worth the extra hassle to make imo. same with enanthate, 275-285mg/ml is easily doable without having to use gua or eo, ime. tren with just the basic carrior oil and ba, bb, the highest ive seen hold is around 115-120mg/ml. same with test prop ime, but at the same time making anything higher then that with tren or prop wouldnt be worth the pip it would cause. EQ seems to be a popular compound to try and pander this "600mg/ml" advertising but its a hard compound to really dissolve at anything higher than 300mg/ml without exotic solvents. oxandrolone is impossible to hold in a solution at any dose, anyone who can make injectable var has either a hell of a recipe or is selling inj winny as var. even 10mg/ml with eo and gua wasnt possible afaik. i will usually abide by my own rule which is buy pharma grade whenever possible and if having to use ug, 250mg/ml max on long esters(E, C, eq, ect.) , 100mg/ml max on shorts (tren ace, prop, mast p, ect.) abiding by that will usually save you alot of heart ache from getting mislabeled, wrongly claimed dosed gear and alot of leg/glute pain from not pinning such pip prone gear.
Does anyone know a high dose gear that is legit. Even a fast acting test like a test prop 200 or something
JoneDoeI'm with you bother I have used the high mg oils and I'm not gone to say any names but 90% of it I got was BS. So I was running some 200 Tren E from one source and used it at 400mgs a week picked up some Tren E 400 from another source swith to that and was using it at 800mgs a week it was like night and day lost gain in a few weeks got no sides at all from the Tren 400. Since then I don't waist my time look at it like this source can't dose prop 100 right so how the hell can they make test 400 and 500.
bigmurphI see this alot now i had a guy argue with me that his vial of what I call cut mix from some lab i have never heard of and could not find anything on he was saying it was possible to be dosed at 600mgs
200mg tren a
200mg mast p
200mg test p
1ml
I believe it was just oil because he didn't even get any sides but how can you believe that it can be dosed like that in 1ml
JoneDoeThat's over a fucking gram in 1cc WTF ppl will believe anything.
Hey 600 mg is not a gram dude. You have valid points for discussion but you don't even know what a gram is so keep a open mind to not having all the answers. 1 gram = 1000 mg.
JoneDoeRelax bro I looked at that post wrong trust me I no what a gram is I have been juicing for years. And I don't have all the answers neither do you.
No I do not know it all I just know you can not spell "know" and you do not know what the gram=mg ratio is. I was not disrespectful at all to you. I was just pointing it out that you could be wrong. There is a fine line on this topic to be talked about on eroids. So save it for the weights we are on the same team.
JoneDoeLmao really I can't spell ok big man.
Rustyhookertake it to pm. You were incorrect so drop it. Its git no weight on this discussion
bigmurphExactly some of the street gear i call it is really crazy you would think that since now everyone turns to the net that these small street ops would work on quality not trying to say that each ml contains 600mgs plus who wants to pin 600mgs I wouldn't be able to walk
But Rich Piana says......
You been holding back on that tidbit of info for 3 years!
I don't know about cyp, but there seems to be no problem making high mg test E and sust blends.
It's not the crashing that is the problem, it's the PIP
JoneDoeNaw the problem is it even real. I find it hard to believe.
Some of it is real, its just not stable and the pip will cripple the shit out of you. I had some that was spot on but when I got it it was crashed, I reheated it and then the next day crashed again. I spoke with the supplier and was told it is a pain in tje ass to make because of tje high concentrations of ba bb and it still crashing. I cut it with gso and only used half of a ml and I still felt like someone shot me. I will never ise the high mg stuff because it is not worth it and most of it is not real.
Lmfao like someone shot me. So I take it that it was g2g and fiyah all at once.
Thats how I knew it was the real deal. Not by lab test or bloods but by the trip to the hospital to get the bullet out or in that case to get the sand out of my vag cuz real men limp to the gym as its part of the game. Who wants to pin 2 times a week when you can do a gram in one shot once a week? All my high mg and eo gear has officially been tossed so I dont get the shit mixed up ever again. I guess Ill stick to 750 or less per cycle and not be a real playah.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^yes. Gear can be made high dosed. Folks get stupid believing piana. He's got his own agenda.
Cyp cant hold at 500. Enanthate I've seen at a real 600. I blended it to avoid pip but still got easy dosing.
Folks tripping on doses really should research back to the GODFATHER of all ugl. Dan Duchaine. His knowledge created what we see here daily at eroids. Unfortunately, most these guys on here today are 18 and cant see past yesterday
500+ has gotta be too high to keep stable, anything below thats a blend seems to be ok. Ive seen test e/c at 300 each in a blend that was brutal but nothing higher, its like seeing tren at 400 per ml and claiming stability.
RustyhookerWell, badger was the first on planet earth to create 200mg prop. It held stable and was bionic. It did have bite but blended was fine.
I remember when high dosed eq was 50mg....until dan duchaine gave the recipe for 300mg eq in the most famous label ever. Now 300 is just basic.
JoneDoeYes some is real but way to much is fake to waist time and money. Mines never crashed but the one time I got some that was real omg the pip was out of control.
I look for tests on the high mg gear and so far I never see them, always the regular 250 and never the high, I wonder why that is? im not talking blood tests either the actual lab.
I just pulled bloods on a previous source's Testosoterone blend that supposedly contained 450mg/ ml (150 Test C, 150 Test E, 100 Test Isocap, 50 Test P). It contained EO and there was zero pip. I was taking 2.5ml's per week and in week 10 my Test levels came back at 3770. So in this case I'm pretty sure it was underdosed.
I've seen a simec report on some 300mg TE, and it was spot on.
Hope someone tests some higher stuff soon.
I'm using some Sust / TE blend that is labeled 400mg/ml and it seems to be working as advertised. I'll have to do some bloods soon and see if its really 400
Bloods wont cut it. Ive seen guys on 500 a week with phenomenol tests. Test 300 is doable because that is a good cutoff but anything over I am sceptical. you could score over 4500 on 400 a week if its dosed exact.